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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2017 20:31:23 GMT
What was the reason for the 10 being rerouted around Russell Square a few years ago? was that to create new links? guess these things don't matter now.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Nov 6, 2017 20:33:08 GMT
What was the reason for the 10 being rerouted around Russell Square a few years ago? was that to create new links? guess these things don't matter now. It was to replace the 7 which was "temporarily" cut back. Funnily enough I was on a 10 while reading about this changes, probably not even going to bother commenting on them bar the fact I seem to have been right about the congestion just going elsewhere instead of being dealt with properly
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Post by DT 11 on Nov 6, 2017 20:38:18 GMT
What was the reason for the 10 being rerouted around Russell Square a few years ago? was that to create new links? guess these things don't matter now. Was re-routed last year June 2016 to replace the 7 between Oxford Circus & Russell Square.
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Post by DT 11 on Nov 6, 2017 20:39:17 GMT
What was the reason for the 10 being rerouted around Russell Square a few years ago? was that to create new links? guess these things don't matter now. It was to replace the 7 which was "temporarily" cut back. Funnily enough I was on a 10 while reading about this changes, probably not even going to bother commenting on them bar the fact I seem to have been right about the congestion just going elsewhere instead of being dealt with properly The 7 change eventually became permanent.
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Post by routew15 on Nov 6, 2017 20:43:06 GMT
The consultation has been released to pedestrianise Oxford Street consultations.tfl.gov.uk/roads/oxford-street/#Buses
Oxford Circus to Selfridges pedestrianised by Dec 2018 Oxford Circus to TCR pedestrianised by Dec 2019 Selfridges to Marble Arch pedestrianised post 2020
For the buses it would mean: 7, 94 and 98 would be cut back to Marble Arch 113 cut back to Selfridges 159 cut back to Oxford Circus
139 & 390 diverted via Wigmore Street and Henrietta Place
10 & 23 merged to run as a new route from Hammersmith to Westbourne Park
Very short term vision used by TfL (no surprise) as there is no plan for a further re-routed 390 when OC to TCR is pedestrianised. I cannot see a logical route for it east of Oxford Circus area. Nice Proof reading "We will decide later would route number to assign to this new route" . "139 West Hampstead - Waterloo". I believe it is now Golders Green! Marble Arch Stand is going to be busier as well as Oxford Circus Stand. In regards to the 113 there was no point re-routing it to Marble Arch replacing the 189. I thought it was pointless when these changes happened earlier this year. 10/23 so pretty much the 10 is withdrawn between King's Cross and March Arch and extended to Westbourne Park. 73 & 390 takes everyone. The 23 is already in consultation to be re-routed. Would be interesting to know what replaces the Russell Square section of the 10. The 7 just gets even shorter. No surprise to the 7 & 98 last stop at the top of Edgware Road. 94 & 159 no surprises, 94 terminates at the top of Bayswater Road. No new links really made just 8 routes standing at Marble Arch. The 3 is due to be extended to Russell Square, I assume this is the cover or replacement for the 7 and 10
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Nov 6, 2017 20:44:12 GMT
It was to replace the 7 which was "temporarily" cut back. Funnily enough I was on a 10 while reading about this changes, probably not even going to bother commenting on them bar the fact I seem to have been right about the congestion just going elsewhere instead of being dealt with properly The 7 change eventually became permanent. Yeah, indeed it did. Should have mentioned that in my original post I have a feeling this new 10/23 route will end up being operated by RATP out of instead of TT out of X as route 10 has just started a new contract this year while route 23s contract expires in 2019 as well as it already being on a shorter contract.
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Post by COBO on Nov 6, 2017 20:57:58 GMT
The 7 change eventually became permanent. Yeah, indeed it did. Should have mentioned that in my original post I have a feeling this new 10/23 route will end up being operated by RATP out of instead of TT out of X as route 10 has just started a new contract this year while route 23s contract expires in 2019 as well as it already being on a shorter contract. I think that it will be going to Tower Transit because this route will be terminating at Westbourne Park and will be standing in X. What will probably be happening is that the current 10 contract will be withdrawn and the 23 get renumbered 10.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2017 20:58:01 GMT
The 7 change eventually became permanent. Yeah, indeed it did. Should have mentioned that in my original post I have a feeling this new 10/23 route will end up being operated by RATP out of instead of TT out of X as route 10 has just started a new contract this year while route 23s contract expires in 2019 as well as it already being on a shorter contract. How about something radical like a joint RATP / TT operation - works in other parts of the country. This is just tongue in cheek joking
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Post by DT 11 on Nov 6, 2017 21:01:33 GMT
Nice Proof reading "We will decide later would route number to assign to this new route" . "139 West Hampstead - Waterloo". I believe it is now Golders Green! Marble Arch Stand is going to be busier as well as Oxford Circus Stand. In regards to the 113 there was no point re-routing it to Marble Arch replacing the 189. I thought it was pointless when these changes happened earlier this year. 10/23 so pretty much the 10 is withdrawn between King's Cross and March Arch and extended to Westbourne Park. 73 & 390 takes everyone. The 23 is already in consultation to be re-routed. Would be interesting to know what replaces the Russell Square section of the 10. The 7 just gets even shorter. No surprise to the 7 & 98 last stop at the top of Edgware Road. 94 & 159 no surprises, 94 terminates at the top of Bayswater Road. No new links really made just 8 routes standing at Marble Arch. The 3 is due to be extended to Russell Square, I assume this is the cover or replacement for the 7 and 10 Ahh yes forgot about that cheers.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Nov 6, 2017 21:05:26 GMT
Yeah, indeed it did. Should have mentioned that in my original post I have a feeling this new 10/23 route will end up being operated by RATP out of instead of TT out of X as route 10 has just started a new contract this year while route 23s contract expires in 2019 as well as it already being on a shorter contract. I think that it will be going to Tower Transit because this route will be terminating at Westbourne Park and will be standing in X. What will probably be happening is that the current 10 contract will be withdrawn and the 23 get renumbered 10. I doubt that will happen due to the fact the 10s contract didn't even start a year ago, if it was just withdrawn RATP would probably question TfL a lot about it. However an early termination could have been an option on the contract. I don't think the fact TT have X will be a massive issue, the 171 stands in TL, the 33 in TF and the 422 is moving over to Stagecoach.
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Post by DT 11 on Nov 6, 2017 21:07:33 GMT
The 7 change eventually became permanent. Yeah, indeed it did. Should have mentioned that in my original post I have a feeling this new 10/23 route will end up being operated by RATP out of instead of TT out of X as route 10 has just started a new contract this year while route 23s contract expires in 2019 as well as it already being on a shorter contract. The necessary standing arrangements may have to be made then possibly another stand. If I am correct the 23 stands inside the forecourt of Westbourne Park.
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Post by DT 11 on Nov 6, 2017 21:21:54 GMT
Yeah, indeed it did. Should have mentioned that in my original post I have a feeling this new 10/23 route will end up being operated by RATP out of instead of TT out of X as route 10 has just started a new contract this year while route 23s contract expires in 2019 as well as it already being on a shorter contract. I think that it will be going to Tower Transit because this route will be terminating at Westbourne Park and will be standing in X. What will probably be happening is that the current 10 contract will be withdrawn and the 23 get renumbered 10. The decision to what it is being numbered hasn't been decided yet. This affects RATP & Tower Transit so some discussions will probably take place with TFL regarding this. This is another 13 & 82 situation seems to me.
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Post by southlondonbus on Nov 6, 2017 21:58:29 GMT
Also with the 10/23 the 452 was proposed to be re routed to Harrow Road rather the Westbourne Park garage so if the choose route became the 10 still with RATP then the terminus could be Harrow Road.
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Post by snoggle on Nov 6, 2017 23:02:28 GMT
94 & 159 no surprises, 94 terminates at the top of Bayswater Road. No new links really made just 8 routes standing at Marble Arch. I may have misread the coloured maps that show the bus volumes / stands but I thought the 94 would still run into the far west end of Oxford Street and would then terminate at North Row. The maps appears to show it running in service to that stand. It then runs OOS to pick up near Primark at Marble Arch. This is obviously a short term plan given the third phase of pedestrianisation runs from Selfridges to Marble Arch. At that point Marble Arch will be unmanageable as an area for buses to stand.
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Post by snoggle on Nov 6, 2017 23:47:35 GMT
I'm slightly torn by all this. On the one hand, in a couple of years time, I think we will look on in bemusement at how buses ever fitted down Oxford Street. On the other, I deplore the demolition of the central London bus network and feel that the routes we are going to be left with will not be adequate. Yes, we will have Crossrail, but where other new rail and tube routes have been put in, the collateral damage to the bus network has been far less. As snoggle notes, a bus stop is likely to be located closer to where you actually want to be. On a specific point, the new combined 10/23 is absurd. It may be convenient from a scheduling perspective, but for actual passengers it makes little sense. If it comes about, I do not expect it to be a long term feature of the network. I appreciate it may be a very long way away but think what Crossrail 2 will do to whatever remains of Central London's buses. All those buses that serve Victoria, Piccadilly, Shaftesbury Ave, Islington, Hackney, Dalston, Tottenham, Putney, Kings Road, Clapham, Balham, Tooting. The "we hate buses" faction inside TfL must be salivating at the enormous damage they can inflict off the back of Crossrail 2 in 20 years time (assuming buses survive the next multiple onslaughts heading their way).
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