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Post by mkay315 on Dec 28, 2023 22:46:15 GMT
Even before the recent decline, Croydon was quite an important area of London, especially with the offices and shops. I’ve heard of people who used to travel from ages away to shop there. I think Croydon's public transport also plays a huge impact in this. While there are localised routes to the various suburbs such as the 198 and 455, you also have really good links to a large variety of different town centres. You have the 154 and the 157 which both go to Morden, the 109 and 250 which go to Brixton, the 75 which goes to Lewisham, the 264 to Tooting and the 75, 450 and 194 towards Sydenham. On top of all this you have the trams which go to Wimbledon, Beckenham, Elmers End, Addington etc which means that not only can people easily get to Croydon, but the people who live within the Croydon borough are also encouraged to go out and make use of neighbouring areas. Bringing this back full circle, Romford does not have these advantages. You have the 5 and 86 which are both constantly heaving that go to Stratford and Canning Town while the only other meaningful links really are the the 128 and 296 which both go to Ilford where the 86 goes anyway. The 128 and 247 both go Barkingside but I don't think that area has much incentive. The 66 goes to Leytonstone, but gets there by using a dual carriageway which by-passes most places useful. The 175 and 174 both go to Dagenham which again isn't going to really entice people out of the area. From Croydon you also have the 197 that goes to Peckham and the 468 to Elephant
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Post by rift on Dec 29, 2023 0:20:52 GMT
Even before the recent decline, Croydon was quite an important area of London, especially with the offices and shops. I’ve heard of people who used to travel from ages away to shop there. Have you been in the Whitgift lately, absolute shithole. The rest of Croydon isn’t much better at the moment. Went a few months ago and headed almost straight back out. With how the ‘Westfield’ that should’ve opened years ago is going, it’s probably safe to say it will get worse before it gets better.
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Post by vjaska on Dec 29, 2023 1:01:10 GMT
Even before the recent decline, Croydon was quite an important area of London, especially with the offices and shops. I’ve heard of people who used to travel from ages away to shop there. Have you been in the Whitgift lately, absolute shithole. The rest of Croydon isn’t much better at the moment. Your right although rift was talking about pre decline in which he is also right - my family would regularly travel there as would many from Brixton & Streatham.
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Post by borneobus on Dec 29, 2023 6:17:26 GMT
Have you been in the Whitgift lately, absolute shithole. The rest of Croydon isn’t much better at the moment. Went a few months ago and headed almost straight back out. With how the ‘Westfield’ that should’ve opened years ago is going, it’s probably safe to say it will get worse before it gets better. I popped in to the Whitgift for the first time earlier this year, probably (as a bloke over 40) I needed a loo. It was thoroughly depressing, I remember thinking at the time that I wasn’t expecting Westfield but something a little better. Going past Whitgift later in the year was even more depressing seeing floral tributes for that poor 15 year old girl who was stabbed, and lost her life on a 60.
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Post by borneobus on Dec 29, 2023 8:59:07 GMT
Even before the recent decline, Croydon was quite an important area of London, especially with the offices and shops. I’ve heard of people who used to travel from ages away to shop there. I think Croydon's public transport also plays a huge impact in this. While there are localised routes to the various suburbs such as the 198 and 455, you also have really good links to a large variety of different town centres. You have the 154 and the 157 which both go to Morden, the 109 and 250 which go to Brixton, the 75 which goes to Lewisham, the 264 to Tooting and the 75, 450 and 194 towards Sydenham. On top of all this you have the trams which go to Wimbledon, Beckenham, Elmers End, Addington etc which means that not only can people easily get to Croydon, but the people who live within the Croydon borough are also encouraged to go out and make use of neighbouring areas. Bringing this back full circle, Romford does not have these advantages. You have the 5 and 86 which are both constantly heaving that go to Stratford and Canning Town while the only other meaningful links really are the the 128 and 296 which both go to Ilford where the 86 goes anyway. The 128 and 247 both go Barkingside but I don't think that area has much incentive. The 66 goes to Leytonstone, but gets there by using a dual carriageway which by-passes most places useful. The 175 and 174 both go to Dagenham which again isn't going to really entice people out of the area. Good points re Croydon's connectivity and don't forget two busy, fairly central stations that include the London Overground. Croydon just feels more 'London' to me than Romford.
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Post by Busboy105 on Dec 29, 2023 17:27:49 GMT
Bringing this back full circle, Romford does not have these advantages. You have the 5 and 86 which are both constantly heaving that go to Stratford and Canning Town while the only other meaningful links really are the the 128 and 296 which both go to Ilford where the 86 goes anyway. The 128 and 247 both go Barkingside but I don't think that area has much incentive. The 66 goes to Leytonstone, but gets there by using a dual carriageway which by-passes most places useful. The 175 and 174 both go to Dagenham which again isn't going to really entice people out of the area. Where should routes go to entice Romford residents out of Romford?
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Dec 30, 2023 23:31:59 GMT
Where should routes go to entice Romford residents out of Romford? I'm not actually sure. A lot of what I've said is legacy and down to the structure of the towns in general in East London and as a result I don't know if any new links would actually entice people out. Romford (and Havering as a borough) has developed as a town that's not dependent on any neighbouring town. It also doesn't help where East London has its town centres all in a cluster together. Barking and Ilford are probably two of the closest major town centres in London and East Ham is right on the other side of Barking too. A little further North East you also have Stratford. But anywhere West of Barking and Ilford you have a few small little high streets such as Goodmayes, Dagenham and Chadwell Heath but it's nothing town centre like. It's effectively just solid housing with one or two bus routes passing through them. Romford is a sole town centre amongst all the housing. It might be a huge reason as to why the borough of Havering was completely missed off the Superloop. In order to get a loop to go that way you'd need to either go to Ilford or Gants Hill and move out radially, then come back radially towards Barking and East Ham or you would need to go down the 275 and 247 route and then return towards Beckton via the 165 or 103 routes towards Rainham and then the 287 and 173 routes back towards the river. Ending the route at Rainham wouldn't get you anywhere and I think we can safely say that while the 275 and 247 can be busy at times, people aren't crying out for an express route along their corridors.
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Post by Busboy105 on Dec 30, 2023 23:50:26 GMT
I'm not actually sure. A lot of what I've said is legacy and down to the structure of the towns in general in East London and as a result I don't know if any new links would actually entice people out. Romford (and Havering as a borough) has developed as a town that's not dependent on any neighbouring town. It also doesn't help where East London has its town centres all in a cluster together. Barking and Ilford are probably two of the closest major town centres in London and East Ham is right on the other side of Barking too. A little further North East you also have Stratford. But anywhere West of Barking and Ilford you have a few small little high streets such as Goodmayes, Dagenham and Chadwell Heath but it's nothing town centre like. It's effectively just solid housing with one or two bus routes passing through them. Romford is a sole town centre amongst all the housing. It might be a huge reason as to why the borough of Havering was completely missed off the Superloop. In order to get a loop to go that way you'd need to either go to Ilford or Gants Hill and move out radially, then come back radially towards Barking and East Ham or you would need to go down the 275 and 247 route and then return towards Beckton via the 165 or 103 routes towards Rainham and then the 287 and 173 routes back towards the river. Ending the route at Rainham wouldn't get you anywhere and I think we can safely say that while the 275 and 247 can be busy at times, people aren't crying out for an express route along their corridors. You do have a point there. Plus East London are blessed with good train links with the Central, Jubilee, District, Elizabeth lines, DLR and even the C2C
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Post by COBO on Feb 23, 2024 18:04:48 GMT
E1 E5 E9 E0 E11 Ealing Borough ( E1 to be extended into Hounslow soon) The E9 goes into Hillingdon.
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Post by TNL33036 on May 3, 2024 23:15:01 GMT
H20 - Hounslow
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Post by britishguy54 on May 6, 2024 12:34:24 GMT
I'm not actually sure. A lot of what I've said is legacy and down to the structure of the towns in general in East London and as a result I don't know if any new links would actually entice people out. Romford (and Havering as a borough) has developed as a town that's not dependent on any neighbouring town. It also doesn't help where East London has its town centres all in a cluster together. Barking and Ilford are probably two of the closest major town centres in London and East Ham is right on the other side of Barking too. A little further North East you also have Stratford. But anywhere West of Barking and Ilford you have a few small little high streets such as Goodmayes, Dagenham and Chadwell Heath but it's nothing town centre like. It's effectively just solid housing with one or two bus routes passing through them. Romford is a sole town centre amongst all the housing. It might be a huge reason as to why the borough of Havering was completely missed off the Superloop. In order to get a loop to go that way you'd need to either go to Ilford or Gants Hill and move out radially, then come back radially towards Barking and East Ham or you would need to go down the 275 and 247 route and then return towards Beckton via the 165 or 103 routes towards Rainham and then the 287 and 173 routes back towards the river. Ending the route at Rainham wouldn't get you anywhere and I think we can safely say that while the 275 and 247 can be busy at times, people aren't crying out for an express route along their corridors. You do have a point there. Plus East London are blessed with good train links with the Central, Jubilee, District, Elizabeth lines, DLR and even the C2C Is it? A lot of these connections are all clustered around Newham or western Redbridge. Going east of Barking and Ilford, and the connections kind of… fizzle out. TfL does seem to be considering improving connections east of the River Roding. With new stations proposed for the c2c and Overground respectively, and the possibility of better bus connections via the Superloop and connecting previously unconnected areas.
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Post by Busboy105 on May 6, 2024 15:40:26 GMT
You do have a point there. Plus East London are blessed with good train links with the Central, Jubilee, District, Elizabeth lines, DLR and even the C2C Is it? A lot of these connections are all clustered around Newham or western Redbridge. Going east of Barking and Ilford, and the connections kind of… fizzle out. TfL does seem to be considering improving connections east of the River Roding. With new stations proposed for the c2c and Overground respectively, and the possibility of better bus connections via the Superloop and connecting previously unconnected areas. I meant in terms of links to Central London. I agree that the connections are bad past Ilford and Barking, I mean the fact that Barking and Stratford don't have a link unless the C2C has to go to Liverpool Street Because of engineering works is pretty underwhelming to be honest
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