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Post by vjaska on Jun 23, 2023 14:11:53 GMT
Regarding usage of the Cable Car, I personally think it was built in the wrong place. Many tourists going to the O2 will board it at the Greenwich end, possibly even for a round trip, but there simply isn't that much at the Royal Docks end other than Excel. Very few people will use it to commute at any location, as cheaper river crossings are available using the train. I think it would have worked better still starting at Greenwich Peninsula, but crossing the Thames over the other side to Canary Wharf, with the terminal located near the Wood Wharf development. Since Canary Wharf is a much busier area than the Royal Docks, it would likely see more passengers. That's the point I'm making - when the Pokemon Championships was on, there was increased footfall in the area and the cable car itself not only saw increased usage but it was no doubt helped in that it was used to advertise the event itself. If you get more events going on in the area like how the Dome became a multi event place to go, then you'll see more usage
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Post by WH241 on Jun 23, 2023 14:27:13 GMT
Regarding usage of the Cable Car, I personally think it was built in the wrong place. Many tourists going to the O2 will board it at the Greenwich end, possibly even for a round trip, but there simply isn't that much at the Royal Docks end other than Excel. Very few people will use it to commute at any location, as cheaper river crossings are available using the train. I think it would have worked better still starting at Greenwich Peninsula, but crossing the Thames over the other side to Canary Wharf, with the terminal located near the Wood Wharf development. Since Canary Wharf is a much busier area than the Royal Docks, it would likely see more passengers. That's the point I'm making - when the Pokemon Championships was on, there was increased footfall in the area and the cable car itself not only saw increased usage but it was no doubt helped in that it was used to advertise the event itself. If you get more events going on in the area like how the Dome became a multi event place to go, then you'll see more usage The cable car has been open over 10 years and within walking distance to Excel London! Yet still it doesn’t get huge passenger numbers. Let’s be honest it goes from nowhere to nowhere and serves little purpose and really doesn’t add anything to the travel network. Even the new sponsor got a bargain deal because nobody was really interested. What the area would benefit from more is a local bus and it surprises me no attempt are made to provide a service here. I think the 129 was proposed to stop close by but rejected because Newham council wouldn’t pay for road layout changes.
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Post by Paul on Jun 23, 2023 14:52:46 GMT
I believe it did actually close until they turned it into an arena. It required an extensive remodeling and repurposing. I think if the cable car is repurposed into an official tourist attraction then it would do quite well. But that’s what Paul is saying - they made that work despite being labelled a white elephant so there isn’t anything stopping them from doing so with the cable car Precisely. Did anyone think the O2 would become a successful entertainment venue? All it takes is someone with far more imagination than me to look at the cable car and say ‘what if we did this?’ and it’s another huge success. Of course, it could just as equally be torn down within a year!
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Post by WH241 on Jun 23, 2023 14:57:32 GMT
But that’s what Paul is saying - they made that work despite being labelled a white elephant so there isn’t anything stopping them from doing so with the cable car Precisely. Did anyone think the O2 would become a successful entertainment venue? All it takes is someone with far more imagination than me to look at the cable car and say ‘what if we did this?’ and it’s another huge success. Of course, it could just as equally be torn down within a year! I r we really don’t think we can compare the cable car to the O2. Honestly do you think a commercial company would take on the cable car and make a success of it? The sights are not exactly breathtaking! Unless people are keen to see the Silvertown tunnel construction site. The only reason it’s still open is because TfL are running it when the money could be better spent elsewhere.
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Post by wirewiper on Jun 23, 2023 15:06:28 GMT
But that’s what Paul is saying - they made that work despite being labelled a white elephant so there isn’t anything stopping them from doing so with the cable car Precisely. Did anyone think the O2 would become a successful entertainment venue? All it takes is someone with far more imagination than me to look at the cable car and say ‘what if we did this?’ and it’s another huge success. Of course, it could just as equally be torn down within a year! The London Eye was only ever envisaged as a temporary feature but 23 years later it is still going strong. I suspect that it will keep going until the costs of running it and maintaining it in a safe condition exceed the revenue potential. The same could happen to the Cable Car.
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Post by WH241 on Jun 24, 2023 8:47:58 GMT
Here are recent passenger numbers :
Week ending Number of passengers 20 May 2023 31816 13 May 2023 28914 06 May 2023 32315 29 April 2023 27928 22 April 2023 29257 15 April 2023 35859 08 April 2023 47748 (*8 day week) 31 March 2023 16369 25 March 2023 22252 18 March 2023 25582 11 March 2023 19909 04 March 2023 22633
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Post by ADH45258 on Jun 24, 2023 14:46:15 GMT
Precisely. Did anyone think the O2 would become a successful entertainment venue? All it takes is someone with far more imagination than me to look at the cable car and say ‘what if we did this?’ and it’s another huge success. Of course, it could just as equally be torn down within a year! I r we really don’t think we can compare the cable car to the O2. Honestly do you think a commercial company would take on the cable car and make a success of it? The sights are not exactly breathtaking! Unless people are keen to see the Silvertown tunnel construction site. The only reason it’s still open is because TfL are running it when the money could be better spent elsewhere. That's an interesting point regarding the Silvertown Tunnel. If a cross-river bus route to Custom House is introduced, then usage of the Cable Car could decline even more. To be honest I think both crossings are in the wrong place. Not only would the cable car have had more success crossing at the other side of the peninsula over to Canary Wharf, but the Silvertown Tunnel is too close to the Blackwall Tunnel. In particular, as both tunnels will emerge at the same point in Greenwich, so will only lead to more congestion there. The Docklands area also has several other crossings available via the Woolwich Ferry, Jubilee line, Elizabeth Line, DLR, and two foot tunnels. Really the best option would have been for a tunnel around Barking Riverside to Thamesmead, being more strategically placed between the Dartford Crossing and the various road/rail crossings around the Docklands.
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Post by northlondon83 on Jun 24, 2023 15:29:38 GMT
Here are recent passenger numbers :
Week ending Number of passengers 20 May 2023 31816 13 May 2023 28914 06 May 2023 32315 29 April 2023 27928 22 April 2023 29257 15 April 2023 35859 08 April 2023 47748 (*8 day week) 31 March 2023 16369 25 March 2023 22252 18 March 2023 25582 11 March 2023 19909 04 March 2023 22633
More than enough justification to retain the cable car
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jun 24, 2023 15:43:22 GMT
Here are recent passenger numbers :
Week ending Number of passengers 20 May 2023 31816 13 May 2023 28914 06 May 2023 32315 29 April 2023 27928 22 April 2023 29257 15 April 2023 35859 08 April 2023 47748 (*8 day week) 31 March 2023 16369 25 March 2023 22252 18 March 2023 25582 11 March 2023 19909 04 March 2023 22633
More than enough justification to retain the cable car Those figures are abysmal, how is that enough justification?
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Post by WH241 on Jun 24, 2023 15:44:15 GMT
Here are recent passenger numbers :
Week ending Number of passengers 20 May 2023 31816 13 May 2023 28914 06 May 2023 32315 29 April 2023 27928 22 April 2023 29257 15 April 2023 35859 08 April 2023 47748 (*8 day week) 31 March 2023 16369 25 March 2023 22252 18 March 2023 25582 11 March 2023 19909 04 March 2023 22633
More than enough justification to retain the cable car LOL and how do you justify that? Those figures are per week not day! Bet the cost is nowhere near covered.
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Post by WH241 on Jun 24, 2023 15:46:16 GMT
More than enough justification to retain the cable car Those figures are abysmal, how is that enough justification? I was honestly gob smacked when I see his reply and had to be careful with my reply back.
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Post by ThinLizzy on Jun 24, 2023 16:20:04 GMT
Here are recent passenger numbers :
Week ending Number of passengers 20 May 2023 31816 13 May 2023 28914 06 May 2023 32315 29 April 2023 27928 22 April 2023 29257 15 April 2023 35859 08 April 2023 47748 (*8 day week) 31 March 2023 16369 25 March 2023 22252 18 March 2023 25582 11 March 2023 19909 04 March 2023 22633
More than enough justification to retain the cable car less than 400 per hour in the week 20 May? That is really poor for such a high profile project
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Post by SILENCED on Jun 24, 2023 16:23:26 GMT
More than enough justification to retain the cable car less than 400 per hour in the week 20 May? That is really poor for such a high profile project How many are expecting to get on a cable car? 400 an hour equates to 6.6 a minute, or 1 every 10 seconds? How often does a car leave?
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jun 24, 2023 16:27:44 GMT
less than 400 per hour in the week 20 May? That is really poor for such a high profile project How many are expecting to get on a cable car? 400 an hour equates to 6.6 a minute, or 1 every 10 seconds? How often does a car leave? Believe it is actually 10 seconds, now I believe the capacity of a gondola is either 8 or 10 so 1 per gondola is a capacity utilisation of 12.5% in the best case scenario.
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Post by ThinLizzy on Jun 24, 2023 16:41:56 GMT
less than 400 per hour in the week 20 May? That is really poor for such a high profile project How many are expecting to get on a cable car? 400 an hour equates to 6.6 a minute, or 1 every 10 seconds? How often does a car leave? to be fair my maths isn't the best, I'm not Carol Vorderman. The 'less than 400' figure was based on 11 hours of operation, which are probably the busiest hours. Over a 16 hour day (for example) is 284 per hour. I'll leave the Vordermans amongst you to work out the true figure, but for such a high- profile, expensive project, its still pretty poor According to the O2 website, cable cars depart every 30 seconds.
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