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Post by DT 11 on Mar 7, 2024 23:43:21 GMT
This is excellent as this stupid idea of not using Valley Road absolutely destroyed the 417s reliability. For the last few months I have seen 417 with like every curtailment. 249s taking far longer just to get through Streatham Common North. It is excellent they put something useful in the article about a bus taking 2 hours to go three miles… Excellent Lambeth and other councils need to realise how silly these LTNs are.
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Post by vjaska on Mar 8, 2024 0:03:20 GMT
I agree with those who say LTN's should be scrapped but I've lived under Lambeth my whole life - the Streatham one might end up being slightly amended but they won't sadly scrap the rest.
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Post by allentc on Mar 8, 2024 8:20:47 GMT
Suspended, but not withdrawn... Bingo! This has come on high from Sadiq and Labour HQ because it is a mayoral and general election year and is an attempt to reduce the possibility of loss votes due to angry residents. Otherwise if it were not an election year they'd have stubbornly - as has been seen elsewhere where residents have disapproved - dug their heels in. As you say the key word is "suspended" so don't discount it coming back in some form or other after the elections are done and dusted when the anti-car cycling zealots know that their (political) jobs are safe for another few years.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Mar 8, 2024 10:35:05 GMT
Suspended, but not withdrawn... Bingo! This has come on high from Sadiq and Labour HQ because it is a mayoral and general election year and is an attempt to reduce the possibility of loss votes due to angry residents. Otherwise if it were not an election year they'd have stubbornly - as has been seen elsewhere where residents have disapproved - dug their heels in. As you say the key word is "suspended" so don't discount it coming back in some form or other after the elections are done and dusted when the anti-car cycling zealots know that their (political) jobs are safe for another few years.
Redbridge council did similar in Gants Hill and a few other areas when they introduced LTN's, massive public outcry and at council meetings people bluntly telling the leader they were not voting for him again within weeks, the LTN's were scrapped.
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Post by vjaska on Mar 8, 2024 12:51:14 GMT
Suspended, but not withdrawn... Bingo! This has come on high from Sadiq and Labour HQ because it is a mayoral and general election year and is an attempt to reduce the possibility of loss votes due to angry residents. Otherwise if it were not an election year they'd have stubbornly - as has been seen elsewhere where residents have disapproved - dug their heels in. As you say the key word is "suspended" so don't discount it coming back in some form or other after the elections are done and dusted when the anti-car cycling zealots know that their (political) jobs are safe for another few years.
I’m not so sure it’s about that because most in Lambeth will always vote the same way regardless - few vote for Tory or even Lib Dem here. Khan might think that way but really, it wouldn’t of made any difference and besides, the LTN’s in Lambeth are all council introduced schemes - the TfL scheme on Streatham Hill with the cycle lanes & reduced road space has yet to start and that’s the one where the cynicism should be aimed at personally given it won’t start until after the election. Lambeth Living Streets and a cycling group have already released a joint statement asking for a timeline as to when the LTN’s suspension so as you and I say, it isn’t going anywhere (the others across Lambeth have all been made permanent or are in the process of doing so) but what really gets my goat is the council failing to listen to residents elsewhere in Lambeth despite protests outside the town hall on several occasions so now, what it looks like is Streatham is more important than us in Brixton or Tulse Hill or Oval, etc. The amendment to the Streatham LTN will apparently include some bus priority - I wish Lambeth weren’t so vague about it because I’m not sure where it can go given most of the high road has one other than bottlenecks or the single lane section south of the common
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Post by enviroPB on Mar 8, 2024 13:22:13 GMT
Suspended, but not withdrawn... Bingo! This has come on high from Sadiq and Labour HQ because it is a mayoral and general election year and is an attempt to reduce the possibility of loss votes due to angry residents. Otherwise if it were not an election year they'd have stubbornly - as has been seen elsewhere where residents have disapproved - dug their heels in. As you say the key word is "suspended" so don't discount it coming back in some form or other after the elections are done and dusted when the anti-car cycling zealots know that their (political) jobs are safe for another few years.
LTNs only benefit a specific demographic within a principality, and it's no surprise these schemes pop up in more affluent ares within London. A few weeks ago, I went to a workshop on proposed LTNs in the Ham Park Road/Forest Gate south area to represent the bike shop I volunteer at. It came as a surprise and a dishonour to find the guy who compiled the safer roads scheme in Waltham Forest was at the workshop as a consultant freelancer. Putting aside his pompous ego which didn't let him take on valid critiques, no one at that workshop was on the 'other side'. People representing safer streets, cycling lobbies and cleaner air, but no business representatives pitching the case for how 20mph will have an adverse impact on local businesses. Soon Romford Road between Stratford and Forest Gate will be akin to its eastern arm in Manor Park; completely congested because all through traffic is funneled onto Romford Road. The benefits are pretty minimal but like other councils, Newham don't seem bothered to help the concerns of most of its residents.
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Post by SILENCED on Mar 8, 2024 13:37:56 GMT
Bingo! This has come on high from Sadiq and Labour HQ because it is a mayoral and general election year and is an attempt to reduce the possibility of loss votes due to angry residents. Otherwise if it were not an election year they'd have stubbornly - as has been seen elsewhere where residents have disapproved - dug their heels in. As you say the key word is "suspended" so don't discount it coming back in some form or other after the elections are done and dusted when the anti-car cycling zealots know that their (political) jobs are safe for another few years.
LTNs only benefit a specific demographic within a principality, and it's no surprise these schemes pop up in more affluent ares within London. A few weeks ago, I went to a workshop on proposed LTNs in the Ham Park Road/Forest Gate south area to represent the bike shop I volunteer at. It came as a surprise and a dishonour to find the guy who compiled the safer roads scheme in Waltham Forest was at the workshop as a consultant freelancer. Putting aside his pompous ego which didn't let him take on valid critiques, no one at that workshop was on the 'other side'. People representing safer streets, cycling lobbies and cleaner air, but no business representatives pitching the case for how 20mph will have an adverse impact on local businesses. Soon Romford Road between Stratford and Forest Gate will be akin to its eastern arm in Manor Park; completely congested because all through traffic is funneled onto Romford Road. The benefits are pretty minimal but like other councils, Newham don't seem bothered to help the concerns of most of its residents. The people that promote these things only want to hear from their echo chambers that goes 'isn't this great', 'we need more of this'. They pretend that this is the only view out there, disregard, pretend they don't hear, or mock those that don't try to distort the echo in the chamber, even those backed up by fact. They will bring out their favourite fables such as 'traffic evaporation'.
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Post by ServerKing on Mar 8, 2024 19:24:39 GMT
Bingo! This has come on high from Sadiq and Labour HQ because it is a mayoral and general election year and is an attempt to reduce the possibility of loss votes due to angry residents. Otherwise if it were not an election year they'd have stubbornly - as has been seen elsewhere where residents have disapproved - dug their heels in. As you say the key word is "suspended" so don't discount it coming back in some form or other after the elections are done and dusted when the anti-car cycling zealots know that their (political) jobs are safe for another few years.
LTNs only benefit a specific demographic within a principality, and it's no surprise these schemes pop up in more affluent ares within London. A few weeks ago, I went to a workshop on proposed LTNs in the Ham Park Road/Forest Gate south area to represent the bike shop I volunteer at. It came as a surprise and a dishonour to find the guy who compiled the safer roads scheme in Waltham Forest was at the workshop as a consultant freelancer. Putting aside his pompous ego which didn't let him take on valid critiques, no one at that workshop was on the 'other side'. People representing safer streets, cycling lobbies and cleaner air, but no business representatives pitching the case for how 20mph will have an adverse impact on local businesses. Soon Romford Road between Stratford and Forest Gate will be akin to its eastern arm in Manor Park; completely congested because all through traffic is funneled onto Romford Road. The benefits are pretty minimal but like other councils, Newham don't seem bothered to help the concerns of most of its residents. Tottenham has it's fair few since the Gentrification of West Green and Bruce Grove, though the back streets where the W4 runs is unaffected. I think the School Zones are fine, but the area around La Rose Lane (Black Boy Lane) are unnecessary. Councils will point to the severe cuts inflicted by the current Government (hopefully Sunak will lose the route soon) as to why these things were brought in. Some have taken to damaging the cameras
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Post by abellion on Mar 8, 2024 19:58:12 GMT
There are a lot of common sentiments on this forum from empty cycle lanes to destructive LTNs but if you tried bringing any of those points to the London reddit you will get downvoted to hell whilst the top comments across various posts worship LTNs and bicycles, however idiotic it is to some there are clearly people who support these things.
Hopefully the Streatham LTN gets axed anyway, I don't use the 417 anymore but it is unfortunate to see it and other trusty routes turn to rubbish when they've been so great over the years.
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Post by ServerKing on Mar 8, 2024 22:36:58 GMT
There are a lot of common sentiments on this forum from empty cycle lanes to destructive LTNs but if you tried bringing any of those points to the London reddit you will get downvoted to hell whilst the top comments across various posts worship LTNs and bicycles, however idiotic it is to some there are clearly people who support these things. Hopefully the Streatham LTN gets axed anyway, I don't use the 417 anymore but it is unfortunate to see it and other trusty routes turn to rubbish when they've been so great over the years. Reddit is on par with MyLondon News or anything else published by Reach... it's as reliable as a Daily Express snow forecast Remember Cyclists are a cynical bunch, red lights don't apply to them, they ride on pavements at will, but have the audacity to film motorists on phones to dob them into the Feds I can understand permit zones or event zones for when the football is on (yet you'll always get someone in their Merc GLE Coupe using Nan's blue badge), but the use of an array of cameras to print money through fines is disgusting. Remember a Reddit thread is only as good as its moderator. If it's run by a cyclist, then he and his mates will downvote you. Reddit is a very broad church with virtually every topic listed...
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Post by vjaska on Mar 8, 2024 23:12:43 GMT
There are a lot of common sentiments on this forum from empty cycle lanes to destructive LTNs but if you tried bringing any of those points to the London reddit you will get downvoted to hell whilst the top comments across various posts worship LTNs and bicycles, however idiotic it is to some there are clearly people who support these things. Hopefully the Streatham LTN gets axed anyway, I don't use the 417 anymore but it is unfortunate to see it and other trusty routes turn to rubbish when they've been so great over the years. Believe me, it won’t be axed - it will be slightly adjusted and Lambeth will claim they have listened. Lambeth have no or are in the process of making all the other LTN’s permanent (my area was done already and we were only 2nd to Oval in terms of when it was implemented). Lambeth only cares about cyclists - AFAIK, there has never been any comment on buses from them in the last few years when we’ve faced cut after cut
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Post by SILENCED on Mar 8, 2024 23:48:59 GMT
There are a lot of common sentiments on this forum from empty cycle lanes to destructive LTNs but if you tried bringing any of those points to the London reddit you will get downvoted to hell whilst the top comments across various posts worship LTNs and bicycles, however idiotic it is to some there are clearly people who support these things. Hopefully the Streatham LTN gets axed anyway, I don't use the 417 anymore but it is unfortunate to see it and other trusty routes turn to rubbish when they've been so great over the years. Believe me, it won’t be axed - it will be slightly adjusted and Lambeth will claim they have listened. Lambeth have no or are in the process of making all the other LTN’s permanent (my area was done already and we were only 2nd to Oval in terms of when it was implemented). Lambeth only cares about cyclists - AFAIK, there has never been any comment on buses from them in the last few years when we’ve faced cut after cut The council cares more about the revenue they raise than the cyclists. Cause congestion, people more likely to look for short cuts and get caught by the cameras.
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Post by M1104 on Mar 9, 2024 8:26:01 GMT
I wonder if the emergency roadworks at Mitcham Road, Tooting had any sort of inspiration¹ in the timing of the LTN suspension, given that relevant buses are presently diverted via Saint Leonard’s Church. ¹ - alongside upcoming election
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Post by ServerKing on Mar 9, 2024 17:30:35 GMT
Believe me, it won’t be axed - it will be slightly adjusted and Lambeth will claim they have listened. Lambeth have no or are in the process of making all the other LTN’s permanent (my area was done already and we were only 2nd to Oval in terms of when it was implemented). Lambeth only cares about cyclists - AFAIK, there has never been any comment on buses from them in the last few years when we’ve faced cut after cut The council cares more about the revenue they raise than the cyclists. Cause congestion, people more likely to look for short cuts and get caught by the cameras. Time to get a set of foreign EU plates put on the car
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Post by joefrombow on Mar 9, 2024 22:23:50 GMT
Bingo! This has come on high from Sadiq and Labour HQ because it is a mayoral and general election year and is an attempt to reduce the possibility of loss votes due to angry residents. Otherwise if it were not an election year they'd have stubbornly - as has been seen elsewhere where residents have disapproved - dug their heels in. As you say the key word is "suspended" so don't discount it coming back in some form or other after the elections are done and dusted when the anti-car cycling zealots know that their (political) jobs are safe for another few years.
LTNs only benefit a specific demographic within a principality, and it's no surprise these schemes pop up in more affluent ares within London. A few weeks ago, I went to a workshop on proposed LTNs in the Ham Park Road/Forest Gate south area to represent the bike shop I volunteer at. It came as a surprise and a dishonour to find the guy who compiled the safer roads scheme in Waltham Forest was at the workshop as a consultant freelancer. Putting aside his pompous ego which didn't let him take on valid critiques, no one at that workshop was on the 'other side'. People representing safer streets, cycling lobbies and cleaner air, but no business representatives pitching the case for how 20mph will have an adverse impact on local businesses. Soon Romford Road between Stratford and Forest Gate will be akin to its eastern arm in Manor Park; completely congested because all through traffic is funneled onto Romford Road. The benefits are pretty minimal but like other councils, Newham don't seem bothered to help the concerns of most of its residents. And as per usual will be working classes affected , not the "work from home chai latte mob" who don't want to hear "horrible vehicles" coming through their streets but expect Amazon deliveries to be there on time etc it's ridiculous Newham and in particular and that Romford Rd stretch is one of the most densely populated areas in England let alone London, why oh why would you make things even more difficult than they are blocking up side roads ? The only logic I can see with LTNs is the councils make shiz load of money in fines so it's a source of revenue . I have see a lot online lately about "15 minute Cities" and at first thought it was all nonsense but I can honestly see it or something similar happening in a few years the same with this Pay Per Mile nonsense also planned .
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