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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2009 10:29:43 GMT
Why not? ( if this is true of course) South Yorkshire already have a number of B7TLs and B9TLs (on Wright bodywork) in their fleet; I'm sure it would be easier for London to transfer its Euro3 VNLs out rather than TNLs - ease of engineering etc. Then again I'm aware of some provincial First fleets where both Volvos and Tridents are operated. Anyway as cranworth stated, this particular operation in South Yorkshire requires buses over Euro3. Most of the TNLs operating on the 427/607 down here are on Euro2 so don't meet that requirement. First can't do that those VNLs are just way too young to get cascaded out to another are of Britain. No Yorkshire should get the TNLs if the 427 or the 607. Ok mate I understand it will weird not seeing these VNLs in London i'll miss them.
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Post by snowman on Jun 28, 2009 11:13:05 GMT
I was just wondering if anyone had heard about the 30 B7TL ALX400s at Westbourne Park moving to First South Yorkshire, when the tender for the 10 runs out in late January 2010? Apparently they will be heading north to Yorkshire for a new SQP, which requires Euro III+ vehicles in operation. First can't do that those VNLs are just way too young to get cascaded out to another are of Britain. No Yorkshire should get the TNLs if the 427 or the 607. Once the contract has expired, First can do what it likes with the buses. TfL's involvement finishes with the contract expiry. If TfL want newer buses on another route, they would have to pay for an upgrade. First Group have probably factored using this fleet in a low cost part of the UK in the second half their life when they originally costed their bid for buying the buses for route 10 years ago. May not be the answer you are hoping for if you like certain fleets. But thats the contract system
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2009 12:16:13 GMT
First can't do that those VNLs are just way too young to get cascaded out to another are of Britain. No Yorkshire should get the TNLs if the 427 or the 607. Once the contract has expired, First can do what it likes with the buses. TfL's involvement finishes with the contract expiry. If TfL want newer buses on another route, they would have to pay for an upgrade. First Group have probably factored using this fleet in a low cost part of the UK in the second half their life when they originally costed their bid for buying the buses for route 10 years ago. May not be the answer you are hoping for if you like certain fleets. But thats the contract system Ok thanks mate
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2009 13:10:23 GMT
There does seem to be a slight problem if the B7TL ALX400s do move, in the fact that the 10 contract expires on the 31st January 2010, the same date that if approved in October 2009, the Doncaster SQP will start. The Doncaster SQP was due to start in less than a month, though due to FSY not been able to get around 20 - 30 B7TLs from London in time, it was agreed to push it back. They are to replace a number of Volvo Olympians (21), currently all the T - KLF's which are moving to Devon & Cornwall and 34214, which is likely to join the rest over at Rotherham. They will also be replacing the first batch of B7TL ALX400s at Doncaster on Euro III work, the W - DWXs (30871 - 30874 & 30881 - 30885 & 30898 - 30907), which currently operate on 2 Euro III routes. First South Yorkshire have quite a number of ALX400s in the fleet, 31 at Olive Grove (Sheffield), 6 at Rotherham and 27 at Doncaster. First South Yorkshire also have a large number of B7TL/B9TL Geminis and were indeed the first operation to receive B7TL Geminis within First Group (18 of them), the 31787-31804 batch, which arrived and entered service in late August 2003. They also received a further 10 B7TLs in 2006, though one of these were transfered out to First Wyvern and swapped with 37278, a B9TL Gemini due to Wyvern not having Ad-Blue. They currently have the following B9TL Geminis in service, 19 at Doncaster (37228 - 37245 & 37278). 20 at Rotherham (37246 - 37265). 58 at Sheffield (37472 - 37529). Wright bodies on Volvo chassis is the main vehicles in First South Yorkshire, apart from a few Plaxton bodied SPD Darts and SLF Darts at Rotherham and Doncaster depots. Around 30 altogether. For that reason I can't see Volvo B7TL Plaxton Presidents moving to First South Yorkshire, although this was what was first planned, though now due to First London losing the contract to Transdev for the 10, I believe the plan has been changed and is to send the Volvo B7TL ALX400s up to Doncaster, due to them already having 27 B7TL ALX400s in service at Doncaster, so they should be familiar with them. A First South Yorkshire fleetlist can be viewed here: www.sy-transport.co.uk/fleetlists/first_south_yorkshire.htm
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2009 14:06:42 GMT
Forgot to add too, the Doncaster SQP if accepted will be the first outside of London to use the new Transport 2008 Act powers in controlling frequencies, timetabling and fares. The South Yorkshire Integrated Transport Authority (SYITA) will also have a say in when the routes can be changed etc.
Sounds more and more like the London of the North!
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Post by vjaska on Jun 28, 2009 16:28:24 GMT
Plus more Volvos are moving to Huddersfield from Leeds also. I've a little contact up there ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2009 16:30:52 GMT
I wonder if the VNLs of the 83 be staying in London or moving out. Plus more Volvos are moving to Huddersfield from Leeds also. I've a little contact up there ;D I would be nice see some VNLs in Huddesfield.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2009 12:21:36 GMT
Plus more Volvos are moving to Huddersfield from Leeds also. I've a little contact up there ;D Yes they are, though that is West Yorkshire ;D Let me guess, James? South Yorkshire has had a load of ex Bradford ALX400s, all allocated to Doncaster and Rotherham depots. They are in worse condition that what all the ex London vehicles arrived in. Took them 2 months to get them fit for service, plus they got steam cleaned as they were that filthy.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2009 12:23:26 GMT
On the subject of the original B7TL Plaxton Presidents, does anyone have a complete list of these that were due to move, before the B7TL ALX400s come up?
All I know is they were to be Volvo B7TLs, Euro III and 52 plated.
Plus it looks as though Euro III may be the minimum soon, as in Barnsley a few routes will have to be a minimum of Euro IV.
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Post by TA1 on Jul 15, 2009 16:19:09 GMT
Latest transfers within ELBG
17794 LX03BWH T TO WH 17886 LX03OPU BW TO WH 17911 LX03OSE BW TO WH 17921 LX03OSV BW TO WH 17931 LX03OTG BW TO WH 17939 LX53JYB Ex Selkent Bus, Now with East London Vinyls PD(?) to WH.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2009 14:46:05 GMT
these are ones i have seen
17405 (WH-BW) (seen on 26) 17299 (WH-BW) (seen on 26) 17401 (WH-BW) (seen on 8) 17884,17923,17910,17888,17931,17915,17883,17920,17883,17916,17924 all on 15 showing BW codes 17172,17167 on 26 showing WH codes 17199,17244 on 30 showing WH codes
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Post by TA1 on Jul 18, 2009 15:10:08 GMT
Latest ELBG Transfers
17793 LX03BWG T To NS 18459 LX55EPF NS TO U 18462 LX55EPL NS TO U
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2009 9:13:56 GMT
17903 U > WH
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Post by john on Jul 21, 2009 19:59:30 GMT
17444, 17447, 17449, 17450, 17451, 17452, 17455, 17457, 17459, 17462, 17463 all NS to RM.
17482, 17483 and 17484, TL to NS 17766, 17793 and 18463 WH to NS
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2009 20:08:04 GMT
17444, 17447, 17449, 17450, 17451, 17452, 17455, 17457, 17459, 17462, 17463 all NS to RM. 17482, 17483 and 17484, TL to NS 17766, 17793 and 18463 WH to NS Is there a reason buses are moving from Selkent east? I thought it would have been buses from each route moving.
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