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Post by slr on Jan 28, 2012 23:54:31 GMT
Use of headlights is only compulsory when visibility falls below 100m Road Traffic Offenders Act 1988 (RTOA) Staes the following as a Non-endorsable offence (Fine only): Offence 475, No Dipped Headlights in Poor Visibility or at Night. (Section 17 of the Road Vehicles lighting Regulations 1989). So in answer to the question it appears to apply to Both Headlamps not working. So one headlamp would suffice (as long as side lamps are working i would suspect). However in the highway code: 113 You MUST ensure all sidelights and rear registration plate lights are lit between sunset and sunrise use headlights at night, except on a road which has lit street lighting. These roads are generally restricted to a speed limit of 30 mph (48 km/h) unless otherwise specified use headlights when visibility is seriously reduced ie below 100m as stated (see Rule 226) I would presume the RTOA is recommending the use of a Non Endorsable FPN for situations in which street lighting is not being used. The highway code does say that use of sidelights and numberplate lights is compulsory regardless of the lighting situation. Again please may I stress - I am aware that the ideal situation is to have them working without debating legal points and to have vehicles working routinley with such a defect is not desirable - this is in the interests of debate purely!
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Post by RM5chris on Jan 29, 2012 0:11:39 GMT
But who is going to pay any FPN? - my understanding is that it will be the driver of the vehicle.
If this is the case, the driver is right to refuse it and/or the driver should not be asked to take out a vehicle that could get him a fine or worse?
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Post by slr on Jan 29, 2012 0:42:42 GMT
The driver would be liable in the eyes of the law, although were they instructed by the company to take the bus they would pay/reimburse it in my opinion. I have asked the question before in regard of another matter.
But I definatley see the point - and can fully understand why any driver would be hesitant at the least about risking that. I'm starting in some ways to rethink my position on the issue after having a read of some bits.
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Post by lc1 on Jan 29, 2012 6:42:42 GMT
Thats interesting about the number plate light My argument on the headlight issue was the bus went on a road with a speed limit of 40, however it did have street lighting. Also (with regards the headlight issue on the N89) I have another weapon in my arsenal....The Company Rule Book and in particular Rule 20, Dipped Headlights must be used when negotiating contra-flow bus lanes.....thank you next time I have a light out on the N89 it won't be going via London Road, otherwise I will be being forced to breach the company rules and as such leave myself liable for dismissal ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2012 10:35:30 GMT
Thats interesting about the number plate light My argument on the headlight issue was the bus went on a road with a speed limit of 40, however it did have street lighting. Also (with regards the headlight issue on the N89) I have another weapon in my arsenal....The Company Rule Book and in particular Rule 20, Dipped Headlights must be used when negotiating contra-flow bus lanes.....thank you next time I have a light out on the N89 it won't be going via London Road, otherwise I will be being forced to breach the company rules and as such leave myself liable for dismissal ;D I am be wrong ... but there are side lights, headlights and full beam. Now sidelights must be on when street lights are on. Of these are not working the vehicle is illegal to drive Headlights when it is less than 100m visibility are required ... whether by darkness or poor conditions
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Post by eggmiester on Jan 30, 2012 13:58:32 GMT
Going by the wording, The absolute minimum requirement is for the side lights to be operational.
Thing is different rules apply to different vehicles, like minimum tyre tread depths etc, on heavy vehicles they are different to smaller vehicles. This is obviously where the confusion lies.
And finally....
Yes the horn is a test item but (as i stated previously) it is not an immediate PG9, in that it wont immediately prohibit the use of the vehicle. This is from the VOSA COD manual, copy of which i have on my iphone, thanks to lc1!!
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Post by beaver14uk on Jan 30, 2012 19:47:01 GMT
This was the reply that I received. The VOSA Categorisation of Defects lists the horn inoperative as advisory only, which means we will not take prohibition action for this type of defect. But it is still illegal to operative a vehicle which requires a horn if that horn is inoperative. The police can still take action for this in the form of fixed penalties. Going by the wording, The absolute minimum requirement is for the side lights to be operational. Thing is different rules apply to different vehicles, like minimum tyre tread depths etc, on heavy vehicles they are different to smaller vehicles. This is obviously where the confusion lies. And finally.... Yes the horn is a test item but (as i stated previously) it is not an immediate PG9, in that it wont immediately prohibit the use of the vehicle. This is from the VOSA COD manual, copy of which i have on my iphone, thanks to lc1!!
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Post by rambo on Jan 31, 2012 16:28:19 GMT
No horn=I cannot warn others of my presence and therefor dangerous IMO=no drive.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2012 18:09:34 GMT
No horn=I cannot warn others of my presence and therefor dangerous IMO=no drive. You that bad a driver then Rambo
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Post by RM5chris on Jan 31, 2012 18:54:06 GMT
No horn=I cannot warn others of my presence and therefor dangerous IMO=no drive. You that bad a driver then Rambo Read his signature ;D ;D
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Post by Madstuntman on Feb 2, 2012 20:47:00 GMT
No horn=I cannot warn others of my presence and therefor dangerous IMO=no drive. Or move people parked in bus stops!! ;D (Especially fun in a DAF)
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Post by greeny253 on Feb 2, 2012 21:21:17 GMT
No horn=I cannot warn others of my presence and therefor dangerous IMO=no drive. Or move people parked in bus stops!! ;D (Especially fun in a DAF) Or a Scania ;D
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