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Post by greeny253 on Jun 3, 2017 17:08:34 GMT
Let's face it. Where there are low bridges, it is inevitable that something big will hit it. With this in mind, and given the nature of our forum, I have prepared this post to aid the new guys and hopefully remind the established ones. First things first. The law. Regulation 9 of the Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Act 1986 states: A bus shall not exceed 4.57 metres (15ft 0in) overall height. No other type of vehicle is restricted. Regulation 10 of the Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Act 1986 states: "If the travelling height of a motor vehicle or its trailer, including load, exceeds 3 metres (9ft 10ins or if an EU registered vehicle on an international journey, 4m) a notice clearly indicating the height in feet and inches (in characters at least 40mm tall) must be displayed in the cab so it can be clearly read by the driver, indicating (A) not less than actual overall travelling height or more than 150mm (6in) greater or (B) if high level equipment is fitted, the height at which a warning device would give visible warning to the driver if exceeded - alarm must set to activate within 1 metre of overall travelling height. Height Plate Exemptions1/. Where it is highly unlikely that the driver would encounter and bridge or other overhead structure which is less that 1 metre higher than the overall travelling height or the maximum height of high level equipment when fully extended, allowing for unforeseen diversions or the driver getting lost. 2/. Where document(s) are within easy reach of the driver describing (A) his* route(s) without risk of colliding with any bridge or overhead structure PROVIDING the driver is on that route or is off that route because of an unforeseen diversion, or (B) which bridges and structures his* vehicle/load could safely pass under and those he* could not which are on his route, allowing for unforeseen diversions or the driver getting lost. With this in mind. Those of you driving a vehicle over 9ft 10ins in height should have something like this (in this example, a double deck bus) displayed in the cab: This height marker SHOULD ALWAYS form part of your first use check. As it required by law to be displayed, if it is missing and you are stopped by DVSA, your vehicle WILL be subject to an immediate prohibition. There may be an occasion where you will find the vehicle height written in the cab - usually in TipEx! If the displayed height does not conform to the legislation, it must be corrected. If in the event that the worst should happen and you take your vehicle under a bridge that is clearly marked as lower than your vehicles overall height, you are first required to inform Network Rail using a phone number that is printed on a sign near the bridge and provide the information as detailed on the sign. You must be aware, that although you are driving a company vehicle, YOU AS THE DRIVER are responsible. If you are sent on diversion by a company representative (or CentreComm official in London) then the chances are that the route will have been checked first. If however a police officer directs you off your usual route (ie: road closure ahead), you are advised to pull over and confirm the suitability for your vehicle of the route you are being sent on. I can not stress the point enough that if you strike a bridge, you as the driver are at fault. It won't be your company representatives, management, officials or planners that visit the Traffic Commissioner. It will be you. Lastly, if in doubt, check it out. If you suspect your vehicle to be over 9ft 10ins, absolutely get clarification BEFORE you drive it out of the depot. Better to be safe than sorry. Hope this is of help to some of you. Greeny253 *References to him/his are quoted from the legislation. I appreciate we also have female staff!
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Post by DT 11 on Jun 3, 2017 19:07:42 GMT
Whilst discussing this subject I have noticed the road sign on Verdant Lane shows the Bridge on St Mildreds Road as being 14'3 as well as the sign East of the Bridge heading in the west direction and it has been like that for a long time. The bridge is actually 14'6 and has recently been refurbished. The sign had to be changed as well because they put up a new sign replacing the 14'3 Sign om both sides of the bridge which were incorrect for 4 days
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Post by greeny253 on Jun 4, 2017 7:07:40 GMT
Whilst discussing this subject I have noticed the road sign on Verdant Lane shows the Bridge on St Mildreds Road as being 14'3 as well as the sign East of the Bridge heading in the west direction and it has been like that for a long time. The bridge is actually 14'6 and has recently been refurbished. The sign had to be changed as well because they put up a new sign replacing the 14'3 Sign om both sides of the bridge which were incorrect for 4 days Is there visibly more clearance? I think this is an issue for your local authority but don't quote me on it!
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Post by jay38a on Jun 4, 2017 8:24:44 GMT
Whilst discussing this subject I have noticed the road sign on Verdant Lane shows the Bridge on St Mildreds Road as being 14'3 as well as the sign East of the Bridge heading in the west direction and it has been like that for a long time. The bridge is actually 14'6 and has recently been refurbished. The sign had to be changed as well because they put up a new sign replacing the 14'3 Sign om both sides of the bridge which were incorrect for 4 days Is there visibly more clearance? I think this is an issue for your local authority but don't quote me on it! There's a few like that. In Oxford there's a bridge plates 13'6 however 13'9 buses go under it.......yes it is very very tight.
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Post by John tuthill on Jun 4, 2017 9:06:24 GMT
Let's face it. Where there are low bridges, it is inevitable that something big will hit it. With this in mind, and given the nature of our forum, I have prepared this post to aid the new guys and hopefully remind the established ones. First things first. The law. Regulation 9 of the Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Act 1986 states: A bus shall not exceed 4.57 metres (15ft 0in) overall height. No other type of vehicle is restricted. Regulation 10 of the Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Act 1986 states: "If the travelling height of a motor vehicle or its trailer, including load, exceeds 3 metres (9ft 10ins or if an EU registered vehicle on an international journey, 4m) a notice clearly indicating the height in feet and inches (in characters at least 40mm tall) must be displayed in the cab so it can be clearly read by the driver, indicating (A) not less than actual overall travelling height or more than 150mm (6in) greater or (B) if high level equipment is fitted, the height at which a warning device would give visible warning to the driver if exceeded - alarm must set to activate within 1 metre of overall travelling height. Height Plate Exemptions1/. Where it is highly unlikely that the driver would encounter and bridge or other overhead structure which is less that 1 metre higher than the overall travelling height or the maximum height of high level equipment when fully extended, allowing for unforeseen diversions or the driver getting lost. 2/. Where document(s) are within easy reach of the driver describing (A) his* route(s) without risk of colliding with any bridge or overhead structure PROVIDING the driver is on that route or is off that route because of an unforeseen diversion, or (B) which bridges and structures his* vehicle/load could safely pass under and those he* could not which are on his route, allowing for unforeseen diversions or the driver getting lost. With this in mind. Those of you driving a vehicle over 9ft 10ins in height should have something like this (in this example, a double deck bus) displayed in the cab: This height marker SHOULD ALWAYS form part of your first use check. As it required by law to be displayed, if it is missing and you are stopped by DVSA, your vehicle WILL be subject to an immediate prohibition. There may be an occasion where you will find the vehicle height written in the cab - usually in TipEx! If the displayed height does not conform to the legislation, it must be corrected. If in the event that the worst should happen and you take your vehicle under a bridge that is clearly marked as lower than your vehicles overall height, you are first required to inform Network Rail using a phone number that is printed on a sign near the bridge and provide the information as detailed on the sign. You must be aware, that although you are driving a company vehicle, YOU AS THE DRIVER are responsible. If you are sent on diversion by a company representative (or CentreComm official in London) then the chances are that the route will have been checked first. If however a police officer directs you off your usual route (ie: road closure ahead), you are advised to pull over and confirm the suitability for your vehicle of the route you are being sent on. I can not stress the point enough that if you strike a bridge, you as the driver are at fault. It won't be your company representatives, management, officials or planners that visit the Traffic Commissioner. It will be you. Lastly, if in doubt, check it out. If you suspect your vehicle to be over 9ft 10ins, absolutely get clarification BEFORE you drive it out of the depot. Better to be safe than sorry. Hope this is of help to some of you. Greeny253 Even where there are numerous road signs, this bridge at Norbiton STILL gets hit! Attachment Deleted
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Post by vjaska on Jun 4, 2017 11:06:32 GMT
Let's face it. Where there are low bridges, it is inevitable that something big will hit it. With this in mind, and given the nature of our forum, I have prepared this post to aid the new guys and hopefully remind the established ones. First things first. The law. Regulation 9 of the Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Act 1986 states: A bus shall not exceed 4.57 metres (15ft 0in) overall height. No other type of vehicle is restricted. Regulation 10 of the Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Act 1986 states: "If the travelling height of a motor vehicle or its trailer, including load, exceeds 3 metres (9ft 10ins or if an EU registered vehicle on an international journey, 4m) a notice clearly indicating the height in feet and inches (in characters at least 40mm tall) must be displayed in the cab so it can be clearly read by the driver, indicating (A) not less than actual overall travelling height or more than 150mm (6in) greater or (B) if high level equipment is fitted, the height at which a warning device would give visible warning to the driver if exceeded - alarm must set to activate within 1 metre of overall travelling height. Height Plate Exemptions1/. Where it is highly unlikely that the driver would encounter and bridge or other overhead structure which is less that 1 metre higher than the overall travelling height or the maximum height of high level equipment when fully extended, allowing for unforeseen diversions or the driver getting lost. 2/. Where document(s) are within easy reach of the driver describing (A) his* route(s) without risk of colliding with any bridge or overhead structure PROVIDING the driver is on that route or is off that route because of an unforeseen diversion, or (B) which bridges and structures his* vehicle/load could safely pass under and those he* could not which are on his route, allowing for unforeseen diversions or the driver getting lost. With this in mind. Those of you driving a vehicle over 9ft 10ins in height should have something like this (in this example, a double deck bus) displayed in the cab: This height marker SHOULD ALWAYS form part of your first use check. As it required by law to be displayed, if it is missing and you are stopped by DVSA, your vehicle WILL be subject to an immediate prohibition. There may be an occasion where you will find the vehicle height written in the cab - usually in TipEx! If the displayed height does not conform to the legislation, it must be corrected. If in the event that the worst should happen and you take your vehicle under a bridge that is clearly marked as lower than your vehicles overall height, you are first required to inform Network Rail using a phone number that is printed on a sign near the bridge and provide the information as detailed on the sign. You must be aware, that although you are driving a company vehicle, YOU AS THE DRIVER are responsible. If you are sent on diversion by a company representative (or CentreComm official in London) then the chances are that the route will have been checked first. If however a police officer directs you off your usual route (ie: road closure ahead), you are advised to pull over and confirm the suitability for your vehicle of the route you are being sent on. I can not stress the point enough that if you strike a bridge, you as the driver are at fault. It won't be your company representatives, management, officials or planners that visit the Traffic Commissioner. It will be you. Lastly, if in doubt, check it out. If you suspect your vehicle to be over 9ft 10ins, absolutely get clarification BEFORE you drive it out of the depot. Better to be safe than sorry. Hope this is of help to some of you. Greeny253 Even where there are numerous road signs, this bridge at Norbiton STILL gets hit! View AttachmentNot as bad as the Thurlow Park Road bridge on Tulse Hill which was recently the most hit bridge in London and has many signs on the approach as well as at the bridge itself.
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Post by mondraker275 on Jun 5, 2017 18:24:09 GMT
Even where there are numerous road signs, this bridge at Norbiton STILL gets hit! View AttachmentNot as bad as the Thurlow Park Road bridge on Tulse Hill which was recently the most hit bridge in London and has many signs on the approach as well as at the bridge itself. Manor Road near WH bus garage was notorious, especially for buses. They brought in the hanging poles after a while. Still, it catches out lorries as I saw on my recent visit to the road, a lorry got stuck. On entry from both sides, the road is tempting. From the Canning Town side, you join it from a major roundabout and assume the road is suitable, and the other end the road is so wide, you think the road is a dual carriageway. I am not much of a car/lorry driver, but have sitnavs, jimjims got restriction warnings.
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Post by vjaska on Jun 5, 2017 18:42:59 GMT
Not as bad as the Thurlow Park Road bridge on Tulse Hill which was recently the most hit bridge in London and has many signs on the approach as well as at the bridge itself. Manor Road near WH bus garage was notorious, especially for buses. They brought in the hanging poles after a while. Still, it catches out lorries as I saw on my recent visit to the road, a lorry got stuck. On entry from both sides, the road is tempting. From the Canning Town side, you join it from a major roundabout and assume the road is suitable, and the other end the road is so wide, you think the road is a dual carriageway. I am not much of a car/lorry driver, but have sitnavs, jimjims got restriction warnings. Thurlow Park Road bridge catches out lorries all the time because it's part of the A205 and it's easier to use than to try their luck at using Croxted Road which has a nasty turn at the Herne Hill end or at Lancaster Avenue where it's probably just pure laziness. Amazingly, a bus hasn't hit the Thurlow Park Road bridge for many years.
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Post by John tuthill on Jun 5, 2017 19:27:04 GMT
Manor Road near WH bus garage was notorious, especially for buses. They brought in the hanging poles after a while. Still, it catches out lorries as I saw on my recent visit to the road, a lorry got stuck. On entry from both sides, the road is tempting. From the Canning Town side, you join it from a major roundabout and assume the road is suitable, and the other end the road is so wide, you think the road is a dual carriageway. I am not much of a car/lorry driver, but have sitnavs, jimjims got restriction warnings. Thurlow Park Road bridge catches out lorries all the time because it's part of the A205 and it's easier to use than to try their luck at using Croxted Road which has a nasty turn at the Herne Hill end or at Lancaster Avenue where it's probably just pure laziness. Amazingly, a bus hasn't hit the Thurlow Park Road bridge for many years.
Tempting fate are we?
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Post by londonbusboy on Jun 5, 2017 21:49:04 GMT
Bridges are apparently measured from the pavement kerb up so there is a bit of extra room to what the sign on the bridge displays
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Post by vjaska on Jun 5, 2017 22:56:55 GMT
Bridges are apparently measured from the pavement kerb up so there is a bit of extra room to what the sign on the bridge displays Whats happens if there are no pavements - do they then just measure it from the road surface up?
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Post by planesandtrains on Jun 6, 2017 7:21:33 GMT
Bridges are apparently measured from the pavement kerb up so there is a bit of extra room to what the sign on the bridge displays What about the Twickenham Green bridge where the road goes down but the pavement doesnt?
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Post by londonbusboy on Jun 6, 2017 8:22:08 GMT
Those questions i wouldnt know how to answer, ive just heard the majority are measured from the pavement up.
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Post by londonbusboy on Jun 6, 2017 10:30:42 GMT
pbs.twimg.com/media/DBZjuOuWsAEiY-k.jpg:large That bridge is marked 13"6 but the bus that got stuck underneath it is 14"6 and shows there is some allowance but im not saying to people to go under knowing there could be clearance as that would be stupid.
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Post by redexpress on Jun 6, 2017 11:18:21 GMT
Thurlow Park Road bridge catches out lorries all the time because it's part of the A205 and it's easier to use than to try their luck at using Croxted Road which has a nasty turn at the Herne Hill end or at Lancaster Avenue where it's probably just pure laziness. Amazingly, a bus hasn't hit the Thurlow Park Road bridge for many years. Funny you should mention Thurlow Park Road - just seen this on the list of upcoming diversions: 2 Owing to water works in Norwood Road, temporarily diverted southbound via Norwood Road (northbound), Rosendale Road, Thurlow Park Road and Lancaster Avenue. 12 June 17 (0000) - 2 July 17 (1800) The other routes in the area have similar diversions, except the 68 which is curtailed to Tulse Hill. Let's hope no-one forgets to turn into Lancaster Avenue!
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