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Post by salmon on Oct 25, 2023 15:52:55 GMT
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Post by southlondon413 on Oct 25, 2023 17:49:26 GMT
It wasn’t dropped, the driver was cleared in a retrial. There’s a huge difference.
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Post by cardinal on Oct 27, 2023 21:16:54 GMT
It wasn’t dropped, the driver was cleared in a retrial. There’s a huge difference. The link didn’t work. Was there a retrial following an appeal against death by dangerous driving conviction which has been lessoned to death by careless ? Traumatic for the family of the bereaved.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jan 6, 2024 8:43:41 GMT
Melissa Burr: Bus driver avoids jail over fatal crashA driver who killed a woman at Victoria station by mistakenly speeding up his bus has avoided jail after admitting causing death by careless driving.www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-67894033
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Post by twobellstogo on Jan 29, 2024 10:24:52 GMT
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Post by ilovelondonbuses on Jan 29, 2024 10:44:17 GMT
Oh my goodness. My thoughts and prayers to the victim and the family and friends of the victim. TFL just spent six weeks renovating Victoria Bus Station after the court case outcome of the last incident there. EDIT: Just read that the victim sadly died .
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Post by TB123 on Jan 29, 2024 10:47:27 GMT
I think some questions might need to be asked here of the relevant agencies. It was only a few weeks ago the bus station reopened after the HSE ordered it be modified after the previous tragedy involving a 507 bus... My thoughts go out to the victim and their loved ones, as well as those who witnessed it who will no doubt have been very traumatised by this.
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Post by matthieu1221 on Jan 29, 2024 11:37:50 GMT
Oh my goodness. My thoughts and prayers to the victim and the family and friends of the victim. TFL just spent six weeks renovating Victoria Bus Station after the court case outcome of the last incident there. EDIT: Just read that the victim sadly died . An FOI request was made regarding the changes made, and while progress was undoubtedly made on accessibility, there was no fundamental rethink of the less than ideal layout... and really the changes are pretty indistinguishable to a regular commuter. I myself was surprised that they spent 6 weeks digging up the bus station (looking at construction it really did seem like they were digging up the tarmac and doing some heavy work) with the end result of the bus station looking the same.
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Post by mondraker275 on Jan 29, 2024 18:11:09 GMT
Used to take the bus from Victoria all the time and it always seemed dangerous with people crossing in front of the buses. However, these two recent incidents seem completely freaky in the sense of buses backing into each other and passengers being around which you can't prevent. Not sure what can be done to prevent that.
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Post by ronnie on Jan 29, 2024 21:33:00 GMT
From what I can see / read the 13 went into the back of one of the passenger shelters. Not sure much couid have been done to stop that ….
My one pain point is that bus stations (including new ones) seem very tight
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Post by routew15 on Jan 29, 2024 21:52:35 GMT
From what I can see / read the 13 went into the back of one of the passenger shelters. Not sure much couid have been done to stop that …. My one pain point is that bus stations (including new ones) seem very tight High Containment Kerbs behind the shelters would probably be a good start. Could discourage the vehicle from mounting onto the pavement and hopefully reduce the likelihood of a repeat of this type of accident. I do think raised pedestrian crossings at eastern end of the bus station would be good as well.
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Post by redbus on Jan 29, 2024 22:25:21 GMT
From what I can see / read the 13 went into the back of one of the passenger shelters. Not sure much couid have been done to stop that …. My one pain point is that bus stations (including new ones) seem very tight High Containment Kerbs behind the shelters would probably be a good start. Could discourage the vehicle from mounting onto the pavement and hopefully reduce the likelihood of a repeat of this type of accident. I do think raised pedestrian crossings at eastern end of the bus station would be good as well. First and foremost my thoughts and condolences are with family of the poor lady who very sadly passed away. Also thoughts and condolences to the bus driver and every one who was injured. Whilst we do yet know the cause of the crash or how the bus managed to hit the bus shelter, high containment kerbs may be useful, so long they don't adversely impact the disabled. I haven't been to Victoria since the changes, but I do wonder whether there is enough road space for the number of buses and passengers. Perhaps a more radical design may be needed.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2024 23:29:19 GMT
I don't think it's been noted by any news articles, but there was a van right next to VMH45323 which also crashed into the bus shelter.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jan 30, 2024 0:05:02 GMT
Well it crashed from the outside road bay into the route 38 bus shelter. The previous one was the bay closest to the station which the Red Arrows had used. The crazy thing is they just had safety improvements and the outcome for the previous case was done 2 weeks ago. I feel the station felt better when it had the roof.
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Post by matthieu1221 on Jan 30, 2024 0:15:02 GMT
One of the issues, not necessarily to do with this or the previous accidents, is the compact nature of the bus station paired with the fact that it is not straight. It's easy to lose line of sight when crossing due to the diagonal nature of them (along with the bus bays sort of lining up diagonally too). Compare that with London Bridge where of course what helps is the vast space but also everything being on 90 degree angles. Vauxhall Bus Station is also pretty excellent in that regard though not quite as comparable considering there's only a single pedestrian access point.
Something which would be worth considering would be removing some of the clutter. Unfortunately the ventilation tower is not moving, but the supervisors' office could be moved to beside the glass tube exit beside Wilton Road (as was the case temporarily during the closure). A more radical change would be to revert back to a big roof over all the bus bays which would enable the removal of individual shelters which really adds to the clutter and blocks lines of sight.
Perhaps a more long term idea would be to make buses stand elsewhere -- rearrange Vauxhall Bridge Road for instance to accomodate more buses -- and convert the bus station to a two-way bus only road and necessary changes to junction movement restrictions. Stops on the south side could be used for routes heading up Grovesnor Place. Stops of the north side continue to serve existing routes. The 3 could move to start from Wilton Road permanently. Buses coming from Grovesnor Place would take the gyratory around and terminate at the 24 stop on Vauxhall Bridge Road.
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