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Post by WH241 on Jun 1, 2022 8:42:47 GMT
Doesn’t appear to be Not even on the TfL Have your say consultation website Go Ahead London have published a letter stating the consultation will be out today. Will be interesting what other surprises will occur as in replacements for some of these routes. The 45 I can see no replacement for it at all. Even if replacements are offered in the consultations we will still have page after page of people suggesting alternative ideas which will never happen. For TfL to make any serious savings routes need to be cut without any replacement. I know that’s not ideal but this is about saving money not route restructuring.
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Post by TB123 on Jun 1, 2022 8:43:29 GMT
In my opinion the only routes that might need to be reconsidered are the 12 and 78. The 4 does have a lot of freehold sections it will be interesting to see how these are replaced, if at all. A 4 bph SD route would do good to cover the section between Archway and Finsbury Park. Everything else seems sensible to cut. Expect maybe the 236 might cover the freehold 4 section - 381 and 388 mash up to replace 78? 148 replaces 12 Dulwich section? Time will tell
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Post by DT 11 on Jun 1, 2022 8:45:52 GMT
In my opinion the only routes that might need to be reconsidered are the 12 and 78. The 4 does have a lot of freehold sections it will be interesting to see how these are replaced, if at all. A 4 bph SD route would do good to cover the section between Archway and Finsbury Park. Everything else seems sensible to cut. Expect maybe the 236 might cover the freehold 4 section - 381 and 388 mash up to replace 78? 148 replaces 12 Dulwich section? Time will tell 363 could easily be routed to replace parts of the 78. 12 Dulwich section I can’t see that replaced. I imagine the 197 will be left to cover that alone.
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Post by CustomTransport277 on Jun 1, 2022 8:46:09 GMT
In my opinion the only routes that might need to be reconsidered are the 12 and 78. The 4 does have a lot of freehold sections it will be interesting to see how these are replaced, if at all. A 4 bph SD route would do good to cover the section between Archway and Finsbury Park. Everything else seems sensible to cut. And the 11 and 14 because they're locals to me and serve very useful places like Chinatown and of course the landmarks of the British capital. If this horrific consultation actually goes ahead, I'm immediately moving away from Chelsea to a new home.
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Post by snowman on Jun 1, 2022 8:48:56 GMT
TFL have announced today that the following routes are to be scrapped GAL 11/12/14/74/521/D7 ALN 78/242/349 MTL 4/16/31 RDTL 72/C3 ABL 24/45 It has been announced that these routes wil be scrapped between end of your and 2023 Sad day..... The current 11 and 349 contracts end in October 78 contract ends in November 35 and 40 contracts end early 2023, so maybe GoAhead will roll existing contracts of route being discontinued into these, similarly Abellio contract 345 ends, plenty of other contracts ending summer 2023 which might see discontinued routes take over them
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Post by LondonNorthern on Jun 1, 2022 8:49:28 GMT
In my opinion the only routes that might need to be reconsidered are the 12 and 78. The 4 does have a lot of freehold sections it will be interesting to see how these are replaced, if at all. A 4 bph SD route would do good to cover the section between Archway and Finsbury Park. Everything else seems sensible to cut. Expect maybe the 236 might cover the freehold 4 section - 381 and 388 mash up to replace 78? 148 replaces 12 Dulwich section? Time will tell Maybe 40 extension to Finsbury Park & then 236 extension to Archway?
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Post by twobellstogo on Jun 1, 2022 8:50:59 GMT
In my opinion the only routes that might need to be reconsidered are the 12 and 78. The 4 does have a lot of freehold sections it will be interesting to see how these are replaced, if at all. A 4 bph SD route would do good to cover the section between Archway and Finsbury Park. Everything else seems sensible to cut. And the 11 and 14 because they're locals to me and serve very useful places like Chinatown and of course the landmarks of the British capital. If this horrific consultation actually goes ahead, I'm immediately moving away from Chelsea to a new home. Why? Although it will be sad to lose these historic numbers, Chelsea will still be Chelsea. If/when I move away from my current local area, it won’t be as a reaction to (eg) the withdrawal of the 229! (and before people start commenting, no, the 229 isn’t being withdrawn 😂)
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Post by routew15 on Jun 1, 2022 8:51:24 GMT
In my opinion the only routes that might need to be reconsidered are the 12 and 78. The 4 does have a lot of freehold sections it will be interesting to see how these are replaced, if at all. A 4 bph SD route would do good to cover the section between Archway and Finsbury Park. Everything else seems sensible to cut. Expect maybe the 236 might cover the freehold 4 section - 381 and 388 mash up to replace 78? 148 replaces 12 Dulwich section? Time will tell It will be interesting. The 236 is a good idea cut it back to Homerton Hosp once the 242 is gone then extend to Archway. I don’t even think the 148 needs to go that far. If it can be found stand space at Peckham Rye that could work also.
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Post by WH241 on Jun 1, 2022 8:53:12 GMT
A petition needs to be set up to save every one of these routes from being killed because this is just plain unacceptable to hear and is even worse than pedestrianising Oxford Street and reducing buses from there. A petition will do nothing. TfL don’t listen and these cuts are a done deal. They made a mess of the east London changes going ahead with changes proposed 3 years ago despite things that might have changed in that time. We now have people having to walk some distance for connecting buses whilst revised routes are carrying fresh air.
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Post by rif153 on Jun 1, 2022 8:56:14 GMT
Will be interesting to see if there are changes to the 328 with the 31 and C3 both being axed. I wouldn't be surprised if the 31 was left unreplaced on the White City-NHG section, saddens me to say it but from my experience on that section 31s are rarely busy.
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Post by snowman on Jun 1, 2022 8:57:36 GMT
A petition needs to be set up to save every one of these routes from being killed because this is just plain unacceptable to hear and is even worse than pedestrianising Oxford Street and reducing buses from there. So you're really telling me that 18 routes will be scrapped just like that within the next year. Drivers are gonna be left isolated. The disabled are gonna left uncared for with buses being absolutely packed more than ever. I'm so happy I don't live anywhere near Central London. It's gonna be hell when all this happens. Terrible day for TFL, drivers, people who are local to these routes and bus enthusiasts. These cuts are quite tame compared to the 100+ routes talked about in the managed decline scenario. Whilst I understand people making emotional comments, the people doing so have chosen not to offer any comment on how retaining everything can be afforded. Need to explain how they move from losing £2.5m per day
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Post by YX10FFN on Jun 1, 2022 8:58:35 GMT
Will be interesting to see if there are changes to the 328 with the 31 and C3 both being axed. I wouldn't be surprised if the 31 was left unreplaced on the White City-NHG section, saddens me to say it but from my experience on that section 31s are rarely busy. I was just thinking the other day about the C3, potentially 328 extended to Fulham, Sands End with the 306 extended to Clapham Junction
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Post by routew15 on Jun 1, 2022 9:00:14 GMT
In my opinion the only routes that might need to be reconsidered are the 12 and 78. The 4 does have a lot of freehold sections it will be interesting to see how these are replaced, if at all. A 4 bph SD route would do good to cover the section between Archway and Finsbury Park. Everything else seems sensible to cut. And the 11 and 14 because they're locals to me and serve very useful places like Chinatown and of course the landmarks of the British capital. If this horrific consultation actually goes ahead, I'm immediately moving away from Chelsea to a new home. I personally don’t agree with those two routes being retained in there present form. The 11 is more of a leisure route but I don’t think there is as much of a commuting purpose for it anymore. The 211 should suffice in cover. The 414 will still be there to cover the 14 as will the 22 to interchange to.
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Post by rif153 on Jun 1, 2022 9:03:30 GMT
And the 11 and 14 because they're locals to me and serve very useful places like Chinatown and of course the landmarks of the British capital. If this horrific consultation actually goes ahead, I'm immediately moving away from Chelsea to a new home. I personally don’t agree with those two routes being retained in there present form. The 11 is more of a leisure route but I don’t think there is as much of a commuting purpose for it anymore. The 211 should suffice in cover. The 414 will still be there to cover the 14 as will the 22 to interchange to. The 11 is an iconic route which provides useful links but too long and unreliable in its current state. I don't agree with withdrawing it but I think there's definitely been scope for rationalising routes in the Chelsea area for a while now.
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Post by southlondon413 on Jun 1, 2022 9:03:57 GMT
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