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Post by northlondon83 on Mar 6, 2023 18:14:55 GMT
Have to say that these proposals are rather underwhelming, most are just changing their routings around Brent Cross.
I'd probably have the 232 terminate at the 316 stand, allowing it to become DD, then introduce a new route running from St Raphael's to Mill Hill Broadway, via 232's route from St Raphael's to Golders Green Road (including serving Brent Cross West station), right turn from Golders Green Road to the North Circular would be permitted for buses, then route 240 to Mill Hill East station (double run from Holders Hill Circus to Mill Hill East), Devonshire Road, 221 to Mill Hill Broadway. Quite surprised that Devonshire Road doesn't even have a bus route, nor that Mill Hill East has a link to Brent Cross. This would never happen because of money issues so is more of a fantasy idea
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Post by JUNIOR26 on Mar 6, 2023 22:21:06 GMT
Have to say that these proposals are rather underwhelming, most are just changing their routings around Brent Cross. I'd probably have the 232 terminate at the 316 stand, allowing it to become DD, then introduce a new route running from St Raphael's to Mill Hill Broadway, via 232's route from St Raphael's to Golders Green Road (including serving Brent Cross West station), right turn from Golders Green Road to the North Circular would be permitted for buses, then route 240 to Mill Hill East station (double run from Holders Hill Circus to Mill Hill East), Devonshire Road, 221 to Mill Hill Broadway. Quite surprised that Devonshire Road doesn't even have a bus route, nor that Mill Hill East has a link to Brent Cross. This would never happen because of money issues so is more of a fantasy idea Your 232 idea sounds all over the place and don't see it working. As a former driver of the route, I'm happy it's remaining a St Raphael's - Turnpike Lane route, I honestly thought it was going to be proposed to be split, but I'm happy it isn't. The 240 capacity between North Circular Road/Golders Green Road and Mill Hill East is sufficient, so doesn't need an additional bus route duplicating another. You do make a decent point about Devonshire Road not having a bus service but don't see TFL looking into that.
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Post by northlondon83 on Mar 6, 2023 22:47:05 GMT
Have to say that these proposals are rather underwhelming, most are just changing their routings around Brent Cross. I'd probably have the 232 terminate at the 316 stand, allowing it to become DD, then introduce a new route running from St Raphael's to Mill Hill Broadway, via 232's route from St Raphael's to Golders Green Road (including serving Brent Cross West station), right turn from Golders Green Road to the North Circular would be permitted for buses, then route 240 to Mill Hill East station (double run from Holders Hill Circus to Mill Hill East), Devonshire Road, 221 to Mill Hill Broadway. Quite surprised that Devonshire Road doesn't even have a bus route, nor that Mill Hill East has a link to Brent Cross. This would never happen because of money issues so is more of a fantasy idea Your 232 idea sounds all over the place and don't see it working. As a former driver of the route, I'm happy it's remaining a St Raphael's - Turnpike Lane route, I honestly thought it was going to be proposed to be split, but I'm happy it isn't. The 240 capacity between North Circular Road/Golders Green Road and Mill Hill East is sufficient, so doesn't need an additional bus route duplicating another. You do make a decent point about Devonshire Road not having a bus service but don't see TFL looking into that. Fair enough you raise some good points there. But surely it would be useful to have the 232 as a DD route and to have a Mill Hill East to Brent Cross route, not necessarily by my proposed route
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Post by JUNIOR26 on Mar 6, 2023 22:58:59 GMT
Your 232 idea sounds all over the place and don't see it working. As a former driver of the route, I'm happy it's remaining a St Raphael's - Turnpike Lane route, I honestly thought it was going to be proposed to be split, but I'm happy it isn't. The 240 capacity between North Circular Road/Golders Green Road and Mill Hill East is sufficient, so doesn't need an additional bus route duplicating another. You do make a decent point about Devonshire Road not having a bus service but don't see TFL looking into that. Fair enough you raise some good points there. But surely it would be useful to have the 232 as a DD route and to have a Mill Hill East to Brent Cross route, not necessarily by my proposed route It would be useful for 232 to be DD but unfortunately double deckers are unsafe for St Raphael's, but that doesn't mean you should remove the 232 from St Raphael's just for it to be double deck, as St Raphael's serves an important purpose and has done since its introduction in 1994.
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Post by JUNIOR26 on Mar 6, 2023 22:59:10 GMT
Your 232 idea sounds all over the place and don't see it working. As a former driver of the route, I'm happy it's remaining a St Raphael's - Turnpike Lane route, I honestly thought it was going to be proposed to be split, but I'm happy it isn't. The 240 capacity between North Circular Road/Golders Green Road and Mill Hill East is sufficient, so doesn't need an additional bus route duplicating another. You do make a decent point about Devonshire Road not having a bus service but don't see TFL looking into that. Fair enough you raise some good points there. But surely it would be useful to have the 232 as a DD route and to have a Mill Hill East to Brent Cross route, not necessarily by my proposed route It would be useful for 232 to be DD but unfortunately St Raphael's restricts double deckers, but that doesn't mean you should remove the 232 from St Raphael's just for it to be double deck, as St Raphael's serves an important purpose and has done since its introduction in 1994.
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Post by vjaska on Mar 7, 2023 1:35:51 GMT
I'm an outsider so obviously I won't be knowlegable about most of this, if anything, at all but I've read and I do wonder, bar a couple of the routes serving Brent Cross West, whats the point of the other changes such as the 102, 210, 232, 266 & C11? They seem very minor re-routes at best and whats so important about School Lane?
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Post by kmkcheng on Mar 7, 2023 7:10:27 GMT
I'm an outsider so obviously I won't be knowlegable about most of this, if anything, at all but I've read and I do wonder, bar a couple of the routes serving Brent Cross West, whats the point of the other changes such as the 102, 210, 232, 266 & C11? They seem very minor re-routes at best and whats so important about School Lane? School Lane is just the main road in the phase 1 development. The changes are minor as School Lane was developed so close to the line of route of the majority of routes in the area. We are talking about one main road in a loop that links Claremont Road to the station. Don’t know why people are expecting some major change in the bus network. In the past, residential developments have only attracted maybe 1 or 2 routes to be diverted or extended to serve them. Some posts on here sound like they were expecting some sort of major transport hub when in reality it’s just like any other residential development. The actual phase 1 project is not expected to be completed for another 5 years so there’s still plenty of time for more tinkering of routes in the area and then there’s the next phases with more housing and offices
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Post by cardinal on Mar 7, 2023 9:29:02 GMT
When is the new railway station opening ?
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Post by JUNIOR26 on Mar 7, 2023 11:22:44 GMT
When is the new railway station opening ? Set for early 2023, but may be later on in the year.
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Post by aaron1 on Mar 7, 2023 20:29:10 GMT
I am looking forward when the new station open I hope get more trains stop there as I only got the Sutton to St Albans City train stop at my place I do hope the Luton to Rainham Kent and Bedford to Brighton trains stop there
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Post by vjaska on Mar 7, 2023 21:01:44 GMT
I am looking forward when the new station open I hope get more trains stop there as I only got the Sutton to St Albans City train stop at my place I do hope the Luton to Rainham Kent and Bedford to Brighton trains stop there Why would others stop there - you can change at other stations for those destinations like what happens at a number of stations including two of my local ones which only see Sutton & St Albans services
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Post by 700101 on Mar 7, 2023 21:29:18 GMT
I am looking forward when the new station open I hope get more trains stop there as I only got the Sutton to St Albans City train stop at my place I do hope the Luton to Rainham Kent and Bedford to Brighton trains stop there During the day all St Albans - Sutton, Luton - Rainham, additional peak Luton - Elephant / Orpington and overnight all stations Bedford - Three Bridges services will call at Brent Cross West (The overnight semi fast night Bedford/Three Bridges will not stop) these have already timings to stop at Brent Cross West, example on real train times - www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/detailed/gb-nr:BCZ/2023-03-07/0200-0159?stp=WVS&show=all&order=wttThe Bedford - Three Bridges/Brighton day services will not stop as some already stop at West Hampstead TL and stopping at Brent Cross West would impact EMR services behind
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Post by capitalomnibus on Mar 7, 2023 22:05:25 GMT
Lots of missed opportunities. A new link to Mill Hill East? Frequency increase to the 324? Double decking the 232, 316 and the 143? Seems work was done at the bare minimum to support the developments for capacity rather than exploring opportunities to support. Quite disappointed in this from TfL when this was said to be one of the improvements from the ULEZ expansion rather there isn't any. Edit: Noticed the N102 isn't included in this as well. Why would it, the N102 stops at Golders Green
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Post by redexpress on Mar 8, 2023 7:00:49 GMT
No mention of N266 unless I've missed it, so I assume that will remain on its current routeing. Odd that it doesn't align with the 266 though.
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Post by northlondon83 on Mar 8, 2023 7:32:10 GMT
No mention of N266 unless I've missed it, so I assume that will remain on its current routeing. Odd that it doesn't align with the 266 though. is there any reason to have a night route serving the development
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