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Post by mondraker275 on May 1, 2024 7:21:57 GMT
The Superloop 2 proposal looks great however the numbers are now so confusing to make any sense to anyone at least the SL4 will finally connect to something! Disappointed the SL2 & SL3 have no connection. Anyways my thoughts, some areas I am not familiar please do feel free to comment if I am not correct. Not one to make garage predictions but seeing these are new routes here are my thoughts. I see the SL5 & SL7 have been slightly changed. SL11-Harrow-Barnet - Seems to be the 340 & 107. Metroline PB as the capacity is there SL12-Barnet-Stratford - I think this will be quite popular a combination of the 97 & 307. Metroline PB as the capacity is there SL13-Leytonstone-South Havering the 66 & 365? Again quite popular. Arriva DX or GY SL14-North Greenwich-Thamesmead the old 472. I would suggest extending the SL3 to North Greenwich however would make it quite long. I would look to extend this route to Eltham Station via the 132 this would solve some of the capacity problems the 132 has, double running North Greenwich can exit North Greenwich and directly join the A102 and go straight to Eltham Station. This should be an easy route to run once the Silvertown Crossing opens. Stagecoach PD SL15-Lewisham-Elephant & Castle. This link has been called for for years now does not link any other routes! Personally I would go further by extending this to Bromley Common. Go Ahead London NX if space needed a slight reshuffle also the possibility of TL Catford as the capacity is there. SL16-Eltham-Streatham a new link will it be popular I do believe so, I was going to suggest an extension to North Greenwich however the reliability my become a problem. Arriva BN SL17-Wimbledon-Richmond… 493 waste of time needs to be extended elsewhere such as Clapham Park via the 57 and again does not link any other routes! Reason I say 57 is because whenever I do the 249 I see larger crowds waiting for the 57 at Streatham Church! No idea where this would go until Garth Road opens if it ever does going to say Go Ahead London AL for now! SL18-Kingston-Ealing Broadway the 65. Metroline AH SL19-Hammersmith-Hounslow the H91 Hounslow Heath HH SL20-Ealing Broadway-Hendon the 112? Metroline W Not related but I do believe the 96 needs a 24 hour service. Also 210 to Stamford Hill but will go Single Decker is that a good idea to reduce capacity on a double decker route? I’ m pretty sure the SL5/7 on the new SL map is a mistake but we’ll see. It very well might not be! The 210 to Stamford Hill, I’m pretty sure it’s going to be a new SD route running alongside the 210, not replacing it from what I read (will guess number 310). And I’m pretty sure it has to be SD because of a low bridge? I assume that when the new map was created to add the Superloop 2 routes, they just added it on top of the previous Superloop diagram rather than start from scratch so it is more likely to be an intentional change than an accidental mistake but we will see. I have rarely been on the ground in Sutton, been passed it on buses, but not sure where buses stand in the area and whether it could accommodate SL5/7. The new proposals ended my hope of the Stamford Hill - Golders Green being a SuperLoop route which makes more sense as if people want that connection then they would prefer to have it via a quick journey and you would not be creating a duplicate service of similar journey times and routing. If it is a new route alongside the 210 then it needs to solve other problems too or no real point having it.
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Post by JUNIOR26 on May 1, 2024 11:22:21 GMT
The Superloop 2 proposal looks great however the numbers are now so confusing to make any sense to anyone at least the SL4 will finally connect to something! Disappointed the SL2 & SL3 have no connection. Anyways my thoughts, some areas I am not familiar please do feel free to comment if I am not correct. Not one to make garage predictions but seeing these are new routes here are my thoughts. I see the SL5 & SL7 have been slightly changed. SL11-Harrow-Barnet - Seems to be the 340 & 107. Metroline PB as the capacity is there SL12-Barnet-Stratford - I think this will be quite popular a combination of the 97 & 307. Metroline PB as the capacity is there SL13-Leytonstone-South Havering the 66 & 365? Again quite popular. Arriva DX or GY SL14-North Greenwich-Thamesmead the old 472. I would suggest extending the SL3 to North Greenwich however would make it quite long. I would look to extend this route to Eltham Station via the 132 this would solve some of the capacity problems the 132 has, double running North Greenwich can exit North Greenwich and directly join the A102 and go straight to Eltham Station. This should be an easy route to run once the Silvertown Crossing opens. Stagecoach PD SL15-Lewisham-Elephant & Castle. This link has been called for for years now does not link any other routes! Personally I would go further by extending this to Bromley Common. Go Ahead London NX if space needed a slight reshuffle also the possibility of TL Catford as the capacity is there. SL16-Eltham-Streatham a new link will it be popular I do believe so, I was going to suggest an extension to North Greenwich however the reliability my become a problem. Arriva BN SL17-Wimbledon-Richmond… 493 waste of time needs to be extended elsewhere such as Clapham Park via the 57 and again does not link any other routes! Reason I say 57 is because whenever I do the 249 I see larger crowds waiting for the 57 at Streatham Church! No idea where this would go until Garth Road opens if it ever does going to say Go Ahead London AL for now! SL18-Kingston-Ealing Broadway the 65. Metroline AH SL19-Hammersmith-Hounslow the H91 Hounslow Heath HH SL20-Ealing Broadway-Hendon the 112? Metroline W Not related but I do believe the 96 needs a 24 hour service. Also 210 to Stamford Hill but will go Single Decker is that a good idea to reduce capacity on a double decker route? SL12 - The 97 would likely be reduced in frequency to every 10 minutes with the 307 frequency remaining unchanged. The SL12 would probably run on the 97 contract until the 97 is next up for tender and then gets retendered separately, but like the 34/SL1 and 183/SL10. SL18 - One, AH won't even have the capacity as it stands to accommodate this route. I would say this will be a RATP running on the 65 contract with the 65 being reduced in frequency to every 10 minutes and then until next retendered as separate contracts. Not a good idea to reduce capacity on the 210 but the link has been long called for. I don't see it being parralled so if this was to go ahead then I would assume it would get a slight frequency increase.
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Post by JUNIOR26 on May 1, 2024 11:25:16 GMT
The Superloop 2 proposal looks great however the numbers are now so confusing to make any sense to anyone at least the SL4 will finally connect to something! Disappointed the SL2 & SL3 have no connection. Anyways my thoughts, some areas I am not familiar please do feel free to comment if I am not correct. Not one to make garage predictions but seeing these are new routes here are my thoughts. I see the SL5 & SL7 have been slightly changed. SL11-Harrow-Barnet - Seems to be the 340 & 107. Metroline PB as the capacity is there SL12-Barnet-Stratford - I think this will be quite popular a combination of the 97 & 307. Metroline PB as the capacity is there SL13-Leytonstone-South Havering the 66 & 365? Again quite popular. Arriva DX or GY SL14-North Greenwich-Thamesmead the old 472. I would suggest extending the SL3 to North Greenwich however would make it quite long. I would look to extend this route to Eltham Station via the 132 this would solve some of the capacity problems the 132 has, double running North Greenwich can exit North Greenwich and directly join the A102 and go straight to Eltham Station. This should be an easy route to run once the Silvertown Crossing opens. Stagecoach PD SL15-Lewisham-Elephant & Castle. This link has been called for for years now does not link any other routes! Personally I would go further by extending this to Bromley Common. Go Ahead London NX if space needed a slight reshuffle also the possibility of TL Catford as the capacity is there. SL16-Eltham-Streatham a new link will it be popular I do believe so, I was going to suggest an extension to North Greenwich however the reliability my become a problem. Arriva BN SL17-Wimbledon-Richmond… 493 waste of time needs to be extended elsewhere such as Clapham Park via the 57 and again does not link any other routes! Reason I say 57 is because whenever I do the 249 I see larger crowds waiting for the 57 at Streatham Church! No idea where this would go until Garth Road opens if it ever does going to say Go Ahead London AL for now! SL18-Kingston-Ealing Broadway the 65. Metroline AH SL19-Hammersmith-Hounslow the H91 Hounslow Heath HH SL20-Ealing Broadway-Hendon the 112? Metroline W Not related but I do believe the 96 needs a 24 hour service. Also 210 to Stamford Hill but will go Single Decker is that a good idea to reduce capacity on a double decker route? I’ m pretty sure the SL5/7 on the new SL map is a mistake but we’ll see. It very well might not be! The 210 to Stamford Hill, I’m pretty sure it’s going to be a new SD route running alongside the 210, not replacing it from what I read (will guess number 310). And I’m pretty sure it has to be SD because of a low bridge? I doubt it, as I honestly don't believe the 210 needs another route duplicating it as its capacity is sufficient and yes it would have to be single deck due to the low bridge at Finsbury Park. We'll just have to wait and see what happens...
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Post by Connor on May 1, 2024 11:49:29 GMT
SL11-Harrow-Barnet - Seems to be the 340 & 107. Metroline PB as the capacity is there SL12-Barnet-Stratford - I think this will be quite popular a combination of the 97 & 307. Metroline PB as the capacity is there The question I have is where will the Superloop buses will stand in Barnet....Barnet Hospital, Barnet The Spires, Barnet Church, New Barnet Station...all full. The only place with enough stand space is Barnet Arkley (which is a nothingy terminus. However I could see the SL12 terminating here. The SL11, I struggle to see where it could terminate. Fantasy petition to reroute the 107 to PB and terminate the SL11 at New Barnet Station anyone? I also think SL11 would be better off going via the more direct 186 route (Belmont Circle and Canons Park Station) as opposed to the 340 route (Harrow Weald and Stanmore)
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Post by borneobus on May 1, 2024 12:18:23 GMT
SL11-Harrow-Barnet - Seems to be the 340 & 107. Metroline PB as the capacity is there SL12-Barnet-Stratford - I think this will be quite popular a combination of the 97 & 307. Metroline PB as the capacity is there The question I have is where will the Superloop buses will stand in Barnet....Barnet Hospital, Barnet The Spires, New Barnet Station...all full. The only place with enough stand space is Barnet Arkley (which is a nothingy terminus. However I could see the SL12 terminating here. The SL11, I struggle to see where it could terminate. Fantasy petition to reroute the 107 to PB and terminate the SL11 at New Barnet Station anyone? I also think SL11 would be better off going via the more direct 186 route (Belmont Circle and Canons Park Station) as opposed to the 340 route (Harrow Weald and Stanmore) The question I have is where will the Superloop buses will stand in Barnet....Barnet Hospital, Barnet The Spires, New Barnet Station...all full.Is there any space at Fitzjohn Avenue? (where the 34 stands)
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Post by Connor on May 1, 2024 12:25:15 GMT
The question I have is where will the Superloop buses will stand in Barnet....Barnet Hospital, Barnet The Spires, New Barnet Station...all full. The only place with enough stand space is Barnet Arkley (which is a nothingy terminus. However I could see the SL12 terminating here. The SL11, I struggle to see where it could terminate. Fantasy petition to reroute the 107 to PB and terminate the SL11 at New Barnet Station anyone? I also think SL11 would be better off going via the more direct 186 route (Belmont Circle and Canons Park Station) as opposed to the 340 route (Harrow Weald and Stanmore) The question I have is where will the Superloop buses will stand in Barnet....Barnet Hospital, Barnet The Spires, New Barnet Station...all full.Is there any space at Fitzjohn Avenue? (where the 34 stands) From my observations, no. There is usually 2 buses parked there at any one time, I believe 3 is the max allowed at any one time. New Barnet can also hold around 3 buses, or 4 buses if you count the bus stop, but then the 383 drivers would complain about needing that area kept free in order to swing their Streetlites around (apparent the turning circle on those is not great. You also frequently get curtailed 184/307/384 standing their so I do think the 107 would have to move out.
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Post by TB123 on May 1, 2024 12:28:40 GMT
SL11-Harrow-Barnet - Seems to be the 340 & 107. Metroline PB as the capacity is there SL12-Barnet-Stratford - I think this will be quite popular a combination of the 97 & 307. Metroline PB as the capacity is there The question I have is where will the Superloop buses will stand in Barnet....Barnet Hospital, Barnet The Spires, Barnet Church, New Barnet Station...all full. The only place with enough stand space is Barnet Arkley (which is a nothingy terminus. However I could see the SL12 terminating here. The SL11, I struggle to see where it could terminate. Fantasy petition to reroute the 107 to PB and terminate the SL11 at New Barnet Station anyone? I also think SL11 would be better off going via the more direct 186 route (Belmont Circle and Canons Park Station) as opposed to the 340 route (Harrow Weald and Stanmore) Stands full? Three words. Bromley. North. Station!
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Post by JUNIOR26 on May 1, 2024 12:35:00 GMT
The question I have is where will the Superloop buses will stand in Barnet....Barnet Hospital, Barnet The Spires, New Barnet Station...all full.Is there any space at Fitzjohn Avenue? (where the 34 stands) From my observations, no. There is usually 2 buses parked there at any one time, I believe 3 is the max allowed at any one time. New Barnet can also hold around 3 buses, or 4 buses if you count the bus stop, but then the 383 drivers would complain about needing that area kept free in order to swing their Streetlites around (apparent the turning circle on those is not great. You also frequently get curtailed 184/307/384 standing their so I do think the 107 would have to move out. 1. Barnet Church stand is for 3 buses maximum but as current 2 34s currently stand, so that a no... 2. Barnet Hospital, absolutely no chance... 3. New Barnet is for 3 buses maximum and only 1 bus on the 107 is allowed on stand.
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Post by londonbuses on May 1, 2024 12:36:12 GMT
SL11-Harrow-Barnet - Seems to be the 340 & 107. Metroline PB as the capacity is there SL12-Barnet-Stratford - I think this will be quite popular a combination of the 97 & 307. Metroline PB as the capacity is there The question I have is where will the Superloop buses will stand in Barnet....Barnet Hospital, Barnet The Spires, Barnet Church, New Barnet Station...all full. The only place with enough stand space is Barnet Arkley (which is a nothingy terminus. However I could see the SL12 terminating here. The SL11, I struggle to see where it could terminate. Fantasy petition to reroute the 107 to PB and terminate the SL11 at New Barnet Station anyone? I also think SL11 would be better off going via the more direct 186 route (Belmont Circle and Canons Park Station) as opposed to the 340 route (Harrow Weald and Stanmore) The northern section of the Superloop really should've been Heathrow to Edgware and Edgware to Chingford, this would resolve the stand issues at Barnet. It would also match demand a lot better, the Heathrow to Edgware route could run every 10 minutes (the SL9 needs a frequency increase from its existing frequency of every 12 minutes) and the Edgware to Chingford route every 15 or 20 minutes.
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Post by londonbuses on May 1, 2024 13:35:25 GMT
Would a North Finchley to Stratford Superloop route (as in an extension of the SL1 from Walthamstow to Stratford following the 97) be viable, or would it be too long/unreliable to operate?
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Post by aaron1 on May 2, 2024 7:04:11 GMT
My ideas of a Super loop Like SL11 Edgware to Victoria As this would help out on 32 and 16 Stopping at Same Stop at Hendon to change for SL10 Also Stopping
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Post by sdaniel on May 2, 2024 21:17:48 GMT
Would a North Finchley to Stratford Superloop route (as in an extension of the SL1 from Walthamstow to Stratford following the 97) be viable, or would it be too long/unreliable to operate? I was thinking the same thing.
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Post by uakari on May 2, 2024 22:22:26 GMT
From my observations, no. There is usually 2 buses parked there at any one time, I believe 3 is the max allowed at any one time. New Barnet can also hold around 3 buses, or 4 buses if you count the bus stop, but then the 383 drivers would complain about needing that area kept free in order to swing their Streetlites around (apparent the turning circle on those is not great. You also frequently get curtailed 184/307/384 standing their so I do think the 107 would have to move out. 1. Barnet Church stand is for 3 buses maximum but as current 2 34s currently stand, so that a no... 2. Barnet Hospital, absolutely no chance... 3. New Barnet is for 3 buses maximum and only 1 bus on the 107 is allowed on stand. Well it used to stand with a double decker 84 so I'm sure it will be fine.
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Post by MMS2001 on May 17, 2024 0:12:34 GMT
I saw a bus go up Knee Hill a few days ago - I think it was Monday afternoon around 4:30. I believe it was an out of service 601 running dead back to the garage as it was a nice shiny Evoseti.
Does anyone know if Knee Hill (Between the roundabout and Woolwich Road / Bostal Hill) is suitable for buses as TfL and Stagecoach seemed pretty adamant that this road is not to be used as I believe there is overgrown trees / foliage. I took a bus on a dead run via New Road (which runs parallel to Knee Hill / SL3 and 301 route) the other day and I can't say that's much better as there were branches banging into the top of the bus. Surely if a bit of tree pruning was to be done and a risk assessment carried out on Knee Hill, the SL3 could be rerouted and simplified so it goes straight ahead from Abbey Wood Station stop. This would save a few minutes for every trip and surely make the express service more "express".
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Post by vjaska on May 17, 2024 0:53:46 GMT
I saw a bus go up Knee Hill a few days ago - I think it was Monday afternoon around 4:30. I believe it was an out of service 601 running dead back to the garage as it was a nice shiny Evoseti. Does anyone know if Knee Hill (Between the roundabout and Woolwich Road / Bostal Hill) is suitable for buses as TfL and Stagecoach seemed pretty adamant that this road is not to be used as I believe there is overgrown trees / foliage. I took a bus on a dead run via New Road (which runs parallel to Knee Hill / SL3 and 301 route) the other day and I can't say that's much better as there were branches banging into the top of the bus. Surely if a bit of tree pruning was to be done and a risk assessment carried out on Knee Hill, the SL3 could be rerouted and simplified so it goes straight ahead from Abbey Wood Station stop. This would save a few minutes for every trip and surely make the express service more "express". The 301 was originally proposed to run via Knee Hill with high capacity single deckers but was ruled out by TfL for not being suitable and instead was altered to run via New Road with double deckers. New Road isn't ideal especially now it has four routes running alongside but it has seen double decker appearances on the B11 long before the 301 & SL3 run down there and looking at the two roads, parts of Knee Hill do look rather more narrower than New Road which might be an issue as well?
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