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Post by mkay315 on Jun 13, 2023 20:50:53 GMT
2003. Wowsers. Does stagecoach not respect that route enough to give it some new buses. Like honestly. That is really bad. The 4 has been a dustbin route, almost always getting buses from another route and not a fresh new batch to start from day one. 86 has not had new vehicles since early 2000's although has had odd working new buses from other routes. 97 has had existing buses for years, in fact I believe its last new buses would have been the Titan's in early 80's. It never had fresh new buses for contract under Capital Citybus/First Capital, nor since Stagecoach took over the route since 2005, where it had existing buses. The 103 at one point back in it's grey green and arriva days was considered a dustbin route. DX was basically the dumping ground for buses to go. In 2000 the 103 ended up getting G-reg Leyland Olympians and then they were joined by the J-reg Olympians displaced from the 253 in 2003.
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Post by rj131 on Jun 13, 2023 20:53:41 GMT
The 157 hasn’t received new buses since 2001 when it had its tridents delivered but that of course is about to change when Go-Ahead win the route. I don’t think the 412 has received new buses since DW1-9 were delivered in 2003. The current allocation (T279-287) were ordered new for route 60. The 359 also joins the 255 as having never received its own new buses, though did it receive a Dart back in 1999/2000 when the T33 got them? I think the 359 can now be excluded now as it received as-good-as-new buses from the W15, being only a few months old I don’t think one can count it as receiving cast offs, as that tends to mean unwanted old naff stuff. Users would definitely think they’ve got new buses, so I’d class the 359 more as a technicality We’ll see what happens but I have a very strong hunch the 255 will have to go electric this time and finally break the mould, can’t see what existing buses it would use. There are the 39’s StreetLites but isn’t the 255 restricted to fairly shirt buses?
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Post by vjaska on Jun 13, 2023 21:15:55 GMT
The 432 got new 05-reg VLAs, together with the 249 (although some of the batch first helped out on the 19 pending delivery of new DWs). The 312 wasn't single-decked until a few months later. Can't remember where the freed DLAs ended up now. There was new temporary school route in the Norwood Junction area that probably took 1 to replace an L. That was the 604 and that started off with at least 2 L's (possibly more at the beginning) as the early September 2005 timetable had 4 journeys each way all starting and finishing at Davidson Road for the temporary site of Stanley Tech whilst the regular site was demolished for Harris Academy - one to & from Thornton Heath Bus Garage, one to & from Upper Norwood, All Saints Church and two to & from West Croydon Bus Station. The late September 2005 timetable saw the two journeys to & from West Croydon withdrawn whilst the two journeys to & from Upper Norwood were extended to Norwood Bus Garage via Crystal Palace, Crown Point & Knights Hill so I'd imagine it definitely had two L's by this point. Then it became two DLA's further down the road before the route was withdrawn following the building on Davidson Road no longer being required, probably when Harris Academy was finished which replaced Stanley Tech (good riddance to that school on a personal level) londonbusesbyadam.zenfolio.com/route-604-sep-2005.pdf - early September 2005 timetable londonbusesbyadam.zenfolio.com/route-604-late-sep-2005.pdf - late September 2005 timetable Off topic but I really do miss that style of timetable on London routes nowadays
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Post by busoccultation on Jun 13, 2023 21:32:28 GMT
The 4 has been a dustbin route, almost always getting buses from another route and not a fresh new batch to start from day one. 86 has not had new vehicles since early 2000's although has had odd working new buses from other routes. 97 has had existing buses for years, in fact I believe its last new buses would have been the Titan's in early 80's. It never had fresh new buses for contract under Capital Citybus/First Capital, nor since Stagecoach took over the route since 2005, where it had existing buses. Couple the 17 with the 4 as a dustbin route. I’m so gonna coin that phrase I love it 😂 ‘dustbin route’ Routes that come to mind for me are: - 131 (last new batch of buses 22 years ago) - I would have said the 4 and 17 had capitalomnibus not beat me to it - 157 and 158 spring out to me as routes that always seem to evade new buses (157 finally got lucky this time!) - Most GY routes haven’t had new buses for umpteen years iirc 158 did in 2005 with 18266-18277 was new for the route, bearing in mind that 158 was only every 12 mins on Monday to Saturday with a PVR of 11 at the time so that would be the full allocation. All of the 66, 103, 248 & 370 received some sort of new buses between 2008 & 2012, it just all happened to be their previous allocation instead.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jun 13, 2023 21:34:05 GMT
There was new temporary school route in the Norwood Junction area that probably took 1 to replace an L. That was the 604 and that started off with at least 2 L's (possibly more at the beginning) as the early September 2005 timetable had 4 journeys each way all starting and finishing at Davidson Road for the temporary site of Stanley Tech whilst the regular site was demolished for Harris Academy - one to & from Thornton Heath Bus Garage, one to & from Upper Norwood, All Saints Church and two to & from West Croydon Bus Station. The late September 2005 timetable saw the two journeys to & from West Croydon withdrawn whilst the two journeys to & from Upper Norwood were extended to Norwood Bus Garage via Crystal Palace, Crown Point & Knights Hill so I'd imagine it definitely had two L's by this point. Then it became two DLA's further down the road before the route was withdrawn following the building on Davidson Road no longer being required, probably when Harris Academy was finished which replaced Stanley Tech (good riddance to that school on a personal level) londonbusesbyadam.zenfolio.com/route-604-sep-2005.pdf - early September 2005 timetable londonbusesbyadam.zenfolio.com/route-604-late-sep-2005.pdf - late September 2005 timetable Off topic but I really do miss that style of timetable on London routes nowadays Was the original school far from the temporary one. Did the original have 6xx school routes as Well or was it that the temporary school was poorly served?
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Post by WH241 on Jun 13, 2023 21:39:10 GMT
The 4 has been a dustbin route, almost always getting buses from another route and not a fresh new batch to start from day one. 86 has not had new vehicles since early 2000's although has had odd working new buses from other routes. 97 has had existing buses for years, in fact I believe its last new buses would have been the Titan's in early 80's. It never had fresh new buses for contract under Capital Citybus/First Capital, nor since Stagecoach took over the route since 2005, where it had existing buses. The 103 at one point back in it's grey green and arriva days was considered a dustbin route. DX was basically the dumping ground for buses to go. In 2000 the 103 ended up getting G-reg Leyland Olympians and then they were joined by the J-reg Olympians displaced from the 253 in 2003. Was it the 103 that used those buses? I certainly remember the 275 using them after losing the rather damp G reg Volvo Citybuses.
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Post by COBO on Jun 13, 2023 22:51:15 GMT
318 - I don’t think that it has ever been retained or awarded with new buses. It was retained by Arriva London in 2013 with existing and 1 new single deck but I don’t think that the new bus materialised.
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Post by vjaska on Jun 14, 2023 0:57:12 GMT
That was the 604 and that started off with at least 2 L's (possibly more at the beginning) as the early September 2005 timetable had 4 journeys each way all starting and finishing at Davidson Road for the temporary site of Stanley Tech whilst the regular site was demolished for Harris Academy - one to & from Thornton Heath Bus Garage, one to & from Upper Norwood, All Saints Church and two to & from West Croydon Bus Station. The late September 2005 timetable saw the two journeys to & from West Croydon withdrawn whilst the two journeys to & from Upper Norwood were extended to Norwood Bus Garage via Crystal Palace, Crown Point & Knights Hill so I'd imagine it definitely had two L's by this point. Then it became two DLA's further down the road before the route was withdrawn following the building on Davidson Road no longer being required, probably when Harris Academy was finished which replaced Stanley Tech (good riddance to that school on a personal level) londonbusesbyadam.zenfolio.com/route-604-sep-2005.pdf - early September 2005 timetable londonbusesbyadam.zenfolio.com/route-604-late-sep-2005.pdf - late September 2005 timetable Off topic but I really do miss that style of timetable on London routes nowadays Was the original school far from the temporary one. Did the original have 6xx school routes as Well or was it that the temporary school was poorly served? The original school was located at Norwood Junction just off South Norwood Hill very close to the junction where the 75 & 157 cross over. There was no school route for the original school as it was served by the 75, 157, 196 & 410 directly and less directly by the 130, 197 & 312 which were just down the road whereas the site on Davidson Road was only served by the 410 - my guess is the school route was provided so as to not overwhelm the 410 which was over subscribed as it was given the combination of the loadings and 9.4m DWS's My only surprise is that they never realised from the off that the Upper Norwood journey didn't go far enough northbound given Stanley Tech's catchment area was much bigger than that.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jun 14, 2023 1:31:01 GMT
The 4 has been a dustbin route, almost always getting buses from another route and not a fresh new batch to start from day one. 86 has not had new vehicles since early 2000's although has had odd working new buses from other routes. 97 has had existing buses for years, in fact I believe its last new buses would have been the Titan's in early 80's. It never had fresh new buses for contract under Capital Citybus/First Capital, nor since Stagecoach took over the route since 2005, where it had existing buses. The 103 at one point back in it's grey green and arriva days was considered a dustbin route. DX was basically the dumping ground for buses to go. In 2000 the 103 ended up getting G-reg Leyland Olympians and then they were joined by the J-reg Olympians displaced from the 253 in 2003. The 103 I thought got the H Reg Olympians from new. Some were delivered in County Bus Cream & Green IIRC.
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Post by mkay315 on Jun 14, 2023 4:30:13 GMT
The 103 at one point back in it's grey green and arriva days was considered a dustbin route. DX was basically the dumping ground for buses to go. In 2000 the 103 ended up getting G-reg Leyland Olympians and then they were joined by the J-reg Olympians displaced from the 253 in 2003. The 103 I thought got the H Reg Olympians from new. Some were delivered in County Bus Cream & Green IIRC. They did but then in 2000 on renewal they ended up with dual doored Olympians. Looking at it now I think they came from N off the 176 or possibly AR off the 243
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Post by mkay315 on Jun 14, 2023 4:32:45 GMT
The 103 at one point back in it's grey green and arriva days was considered a dustbin route. DX was basically the dumping ground for buses to go. In 2000 the 103 ended up getting G-reg Leyland Olympians and then they were joined by the J-reg Olympians displaced from the 253 in 2003. Was it the 103 that used those buses? I certainly remember the 275 using them after losing the rather damp G reg Volvo Citybuses. So the 103 as capitalomnibus mentioned did have some H-reg Olympians back in it's grey green days however in 2000 it ended up getting cast offs from other arriva garages. Looking at some of the pictures now and from memory I think some were based at N for the 176 and others were at AR for the 243
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Post by mkay315 on Jun 14, 2023 4:33:12 GMT
Was it the 103 that used those buses? I certainly remember the 275 using them after losing the rather damp G reg Volvo Citybuses. So the 103 as capitalomnibus mentioned did have some H-reg Olympians back in it's grey green days however in 2000 it ended up getting cast offs from other arriva garages. Looking at some of the pictures now and from memory I think some were based at N for the 176 and others were at AR for the 243 And then of course the Olympians from the 253 in 2003
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Post by southlondonbus on Jun 14, 2023 7:09:04 GMT
Was the original school far from the temporary one. Did the original have 6xx school routes as Well or was it that the temporary school was poorly served? The original school was located at Norwood Junction just off South Norwood Hill very close to the junction where the 75 & 157 cross over. There was no school route for the original school as it was served by the 75, 157, 196 & 410 directly and less directly by the 130, 197 & 312 which were just down the road whereas the site on Davidson Road was only served by the 410 - my guess is the school route was provided so as to not overwhelm the 410 which was over subscribed as it was given the combination of the loadings and 9.4m DWS's My only surprise is that they never realised from the off that the Upper Norwood journey didn't go far enough northbound given Stanley Tech's catchment area was much bigger than that. Yes I think the wheels would have fallen on the 410 under the strain of a school. It's a shame they didn't extend one of the 689/690 down to NJ to stand with the 196 as it would have directly linked to Herne/Tulse Hill and Brixton.
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Post by WH241 on Jun 14, 2023 8:29:04 GMT
Was it the 103 that used those buses? I certainly remember the 275 using them after losing the rather damp G reg Volvo Citybuses. So the 103 as capitalomnibus mentioned did have some H-reg Olympians back in it's grey green days however in 2000 it ended up getting cast offs from other arriva garages. Looking at some of the pictures now and from memory I think some were based at N for the 176 and others were at AR for the 243 Those Northern Counties originally started off at Kentish Buses on the 22A, 22B and 55. They used absolutely stink of fuel fumes if you sat downstairs at the rear. I also remember the ex 253 J Reg buses running on the 275 around 2004! They ended up having a long life in London as they also ran on sightseeing work but not sure if the same batch that ran at DX?
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Post by mkay315 on Jun 14, 2023 8:32:16 GMT
So the 103 as capitalomnibus mentioned did have some H-reg Olympians back in it's grey green days however in 2000 it ended up getting cast offs from other arriva garages. Looking at some of the pictures now and from memory I think some were based at N for the 176 and others were at AR for the 243 Those Northern Counties originally started off at Kentish Buses on the 22A, 22B and 55. They used absolutely stink of fuel fumes if you sat downstairs at the rear. I also remember the ex 253 J Reg buses running on the 275 around 2004! They ended up having a long life in London as they also ran on sightseeing work but not sure if the same batch that ran at DX? I thought as much. As I also found it weird that the bus stopping sign was on the left hand side of the bus as opposed to the right hand side. I'm still laughing at your last comment on how it smelt bad at the rear 🤣 and yes some of the J-reg Olympians did go onto the sightseeing buses after they left DX
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