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Post by rj131 on Mar 14, 2024 12:48:09 GMT
Exactly, 29% of people were dissatisfied of 123 being curtailed to TPL, but only 13% of people were okay with it, so how are they going ahead with that change? It's a consultation not a referendum, I'm actually surprised that 13% were ok about it. Is it really that much of a grievance though? Wood Green is really not far at all from TPL at all, very easily walkable and that road is a huge artery for buses heading into Wood Green. If you really needed to get the bus those last two stops to Wood Green you could get the 29, 67, 141 or 230, which combined I guess you probably wouldn’t be waiting much more than a minute for. Imo really not that much of a big deal
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Post by vjaska on Mar 14, 2024 13:03:43 GMT
It's a consultation not a referendum, I'm actually surprised that 13% were ok about it. Is it really that much of a grievance though? Wood Green is really not far at all from TPL at all, very easily walkable and that road is a huge artery for buses heading into Wood Green. If you really needed to get the bus those last two stops to Wood Green you could get the 29, 67, 141 or 230, which combined I guess you probably wouldn’t be waiting much more than a minute for. Imo really not that much of a big deal It is if you’re not able bodied. Also, I’m not really how you sell that to people you want to attract to the network, “you see this link that only the 123 makes, yeah we’re removing it and you’ll have to change buses but yeah come use the bus anyway because every journey matters”. Bus links should be preserved and not axed, even small ones like this that might not look much
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Post by DT 11 on Mar 14, 2024 13:08:02 GMT
Is it really that much of a grievance though? Wood Green is really not far at all from TPL at all, very easily walkable and that road is a huge artery for buses heading into Wood Green. If you really needed to get the bus those last two stops to Wood Green you could get the 29, 67, 141 or 230, which combined I guess you probably wouldn’t be waiting much more than a minute for. Imo really not that much of a big deal It is if you’re not able bodied. Also, I’m not really how you sell that to people you want to attract to the network, “you see this link that only the 123 makes, yeah we’re removing it and you’ll have to change buses but yeah come use the bus anyway because every journey matters”. Bus links should be preserved and not axed, even small ones like this that might not look much I think the 123 is the wrong route to cut to Turnpike Lane Station.
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Post by vjaska on Mar 14, 2024 13:11:18 GMT
It is if you’re not able bodied. Also, I’m not really how you sell that to people you want to attract to the network, “you see this link that only the 123 makes, yeah we’re removing it and you’ll have to change buses but yeah come use the bus anyway because every journey matters”. Bus links should be preserved and not axed, even small ones like this that might not look much I think the 123 is the wrong route to cut to Turnpike Lane Station. I don’t think anything outside of the 91 & 232 proposals should really be done. Really, the traffic planners should be looking at speeding up the section between Turnpike Lane & Wood Green, keeping it to buses and delivery trucks only would do wonders personally and not just up at that particular spot in London
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Post by enviroPB on Mar 14, 2024 19:51:14 GMT
Is it really that much of a grievance though? Wood Green is really not far at all from TPL at all, very easily walkable and that road is a huge artery for buses heading into Wood Green. If you really needed to get the bus those last two stops to Wood Green you could get the 29, 67, 141 or 230, which combined I guess you probably wouldn’t be waiting much more than a minute for. Imo really not that much of a big deal It is if you’re not able bodied. Also, I’m not really how you sell that to people you want to attract to the network, “you see this link that only the 123 makes, yeah we’re removing it and you’ll have to change buses but yeah come use the bus anyway because every journey matters”. Bus links should be preserved and not axed, even small ones like this that might not look much The round-the-corner link that'll be removed from the 123 will only add to less bus journeys overall, as pretty much anyone who needs the High Road would simply walk. I've sat on packed 123 buses on Westbury Avenue northbound in traffic conditions akin to an Olympic sprint final for snails. Very few need Turnpike Lane so disembark, with the vast majority savouring the direct High Road link the 243 doesn't provide to the shops. Otherwise the 123 would be carrying air on that section when that's furthest from the truth. As always, TfL is listening to passengers' concerns. When quizzed by the public having to pay an additional fare on the 123 to get to Wood Green, TfL stated the maximum journey time from Hainult Street to Blackhorse Road, the earliest point of interchange with a bus to Wood Green, is 58 minutes. Never knew the 230 was every 2-4 minutes, must've missed that in the consultation.
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Post by sdaniel on Mar 14, 2024 21:36:29 GMT
I think the 123 is the wrong route to cut to Turnpike Lane Station. I don’t think anything outside of the 91 & 232 proposals should really be done. Really, the traffic planners should be looking at speeding up the section between Turnpike Lane & Wood Green, keeping it to buses and delivery trucks only would do wonders personally and not just up at that particular spot in London Actually I just thought of something…. Since TFL didn’t want 232 to be running through Western Road and Mary Neuner Road because 91 and N91 will serve those roads, maybe they could have made 232 run through Hornsey Park Road to get to Turnpike Lane Bus Station instead because people wanted a bus to run through Hornsey Park Road.
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Post by matthieu1221 on Mar 14, 2024 23:20:24 GMT
It is if you’re not able bodied. Also, I’m not really how you sell that to people you want to attract to the network, “you see this link that only the 123 makes, yeah we’re removing it and you’ll have to change buses but yeah come use the bus anyway because every journey matters”. Bus links should be preserved and not axed, even small ones like this that might not look much The round-the-corner link that'll be removed from the 123 will only add to less bus journeys overall, as pretty much anyone who needs the High Road would simply walk. I've sat on packed 123 buses on Westbury Avenue northbound in traffic conditions akin to an Olympic sprint final for snails. Very few need Turnpike Lane so disembark, with the vast majority savouring the direct High Road link the 243 doesn't provide to the shops. Otherwise the 123 would be carrying air on that section when that's furthest from the truth. As always, TfL is listening to passengers' concerns. When quizzed by the public having to pay an additional fare on the 123 to get to Wood Green, TfL stated the maximum journey time from Hainult Street to Blackhorse Road, the earliest point of interchange with a bus to Wood Green, is 58 minutes. Never knew the 230 was every 2-4 minutes, must've missed that in the consultation. I believe it was in the Central London Consultation and subsequent reorganisation that went ahead in 2019 TfL promised (and did) refunds for certain journeys (listed on a pdf doc) for journeys that would be broken but which ran outside of the Hopper timeframe. At the time they said the trial for passengers to be able to request refunds (manually I believe!) would go on for 6 months. I really do wonder with all that hassle (and probable lack of publicity) if anyone actually did bother!
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Post by mondraker275 on Mar 15, 2024 9:53:08 GMT
Is it? There seems to be an awful lot of tinkering of routes in the last few years! The bus network was pretty stable for many years but now changes seem to be made for changes sake. One think I have noticed is the low number of response on consultations especially on busy corridors like the 123. Makes me think TfL needs to make more of an effort to reach passengers during the consultation stage. They have a great tool in the ibus but seem not to use it for whatever reason. There should be regular announcements on buses that are impacted by a consultation. As mentioned before I dont mind the curtailment of the 123 and it is not a major disruption as people shop along the entire high street which is not long. Depending on the PVR changes to 123 it may be a better route overall to run reliably. With the addition of the SL2 support, this may be a more attractive route than the last tender. The changes are due to happen around the time of the tender release so there may not be any early intel for Arriva to help their bid. If you also add the 158 is more attractive than the previous tender too, with more buses, I could see another joint bid from Arriva but there will be competition again for these routes. Edit: Just read recent results, almost certainly will be electric bids for these routes.
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Post by sdaniel on Mar 15, 2024 14:08:01 GMT
When 91 extends to Wood Green/When N91 is rerouted at Haringey Heartlands, Does anyone know if they are going to have electric vehicles just like the 230?
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Post by WH241 on Mar 15, 2024 14:36:47 GMT
When 91 extends to Wood Green/When N91 is rerouted at Haringey Heartlands, Does anyone know if they are going to have electric vehicles just like the 230? Why would it? They will use the existing buses with a top up of other hybrids for the increased PVR.
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Post by vjaska on Mar 15, 2024 14:57:47 GMT
When 91 extends to Wood Green/When N91 is rerouted at Haringey Heartlands, Does anyone know if they are going to have electric vehicles just like the 230? The 91 is contracted the current EHV's which will remain put, the current contract didn't commence long ago
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Post by sdaniel on Mar 15, 2024 15:33:23 GMT
When 91 extends to Wood Green/When N91 is rerouted at Haringey Heartlands, Does anyone know if they are going to have electric vehicles just like the 230? The 91 is contracted the current EHV's which will remain put, the current contract didn't commence long ago Oh okay.
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Post by londonbuses184 on Mar 17, 2024 13:21:16 GMT
When 91 extends to Wood Green/When N91 is rerouted at Haringey Heartlands, Does anyone know if they are going to have electric vehicles just like the 230? Additional MHVs will be used for the extension. Nothing to do with Ees.
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Post by JUNIOR26 on Mar 18, 2024 16:36:40 GMT
When 91 extends to Wood Green/When N91 is rerouted at Haringey Heartlands, Does anyone know if they are going to have electric vehicles just like the 230? Why would it? They will use the existing buses with a top up of other hybrids for the increased PVR. Exactly. The 91 would need 3 additional buses for its extension to Wood Green. So the 91 PVR should be 18 when extended.
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