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Post by SILENCED on Feb 14, 2024 13:41:23 GMT
Surely this alone is enough evidence that the residents are just creating trouble for no reason. (Right click and open the image in a new tab) I am not in anyway defending the residents, I actually think there case is very weak, but those assessments aren't really worth the paper they are written on. Probably GAL were the customer paying form the report, and the instructions were to base it on a best case scenario, make the results as low as possible.
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Post by TB123 on Feb 14, 2024 13:45:38 GMT
I think that might be wrong because the combined PVRs of route 80, 118 and 157 is higher than that figure of 43. It seems to be the TVR of the 118, 157 and part electric allocation of the 80, so presumably the garage can hold a few more hybrids/diesels to account for the part hybrid allocation on the 80. All of the information also assumes Go-Ahead retain the 118, if they lose the route then another route will have to be chosen instead. I believe the 118 may also have a revised PVR come the new contract as it is under review.
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Post by vjaska on Feb 14, 2024 14:18:11 GMT
As others have said, their case is very weak and frankly, some of the objections put forward are laughable at best. Making comparisons between a 43 bus site and both AL and the new underground garage at Edgware really illustrates that fact - Garth Road won't be underground with flats built on top unless I've missed something and AL is a rather constrained garage where the narrow layout of the garage contributes to the long queue seen at Colliers Wood, which holds a lot more vehicles than 43. The only valid one potentially is congestion given Garth Road isn't the biggest of roads and is full of parked cars at times, though in terms of dead running buses, there is probably only going to be 2 periods in the day where they will be involved in that congestion
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2024 14:19:21 GMT
Surely this alone is enough evidence that the residents are just creating trouble for no reason. (Right click and open the image in a new tab) I am not in anyway defending the residents, I actually think there case is very weak, but those assessments aren't really worth the paper they are written on. Probably GAL were the customer paying form the report, and the instructions were to base it on a best case scenario, make the results as low as possible. But the residents are complaining about the movements of the fleet in and out causing significantly more noise but it really won't be that significant, the architects have also included a 3m high green acoustic barrier on the side bordering with the residents section of Garth Road. The amount of noise created isn't really a valid point but I do see where they are coming from regarding "Impact on resident's parking spaces - given the depot workers only have 12 parking spaces among themselves" and "Degradation of the road surface and the underlying materials as the current construction isn't up to the latest standards." The latter point isn't in the hands of GAL themselves though.
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Post by southlondon413 on Feb 14, 2024 14:27:42 GMT
I am not in anyway defending the residents, I actually think there case is very weak, but those assessments aren't really worth the paper they are written on. Probably GAL were the customer paying form the report, and the instructions were to base it on a best case scenario, make the results as low as possible. But the residents are complaining about the movements of the fleet in and out causing significantly more noise but it really won't be that significant, the architects have also included a 3m high green acoustic barrier on the side bordering with the residents section of Garth Road. The amount of noise created isn't really a valid point but I do see where they are coming from regarding "Impact on resident's parking spaces - given the depot workers only have 12 parking spaces among themselves" and "Degradation of the road surface and the underlying materials as the current construction isn't up to the latest standards." The latter point isn't in the hands of GAL themselves though. You can go up there some mornings and the sound of the machinery going at the huge dump behind the housing block is very loud. If you buy a house basically in an industrial estate you have to accept these things are a reality. Given Go Ahead is a major employer in Merton and a major contributor to Mertons baby Wimbledon, notice the council colours now match the championships, I don’t see it being a problem.
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Post by WH241 on Feb 14, 2024 20:22:25 GMT
Simple, withdraw the 80, 93 and 293. If they don't want bus garages, then there is no bus services without them. I hope Merton's planning committee does the right thing instead of just listening to the loudest voices. Ok outside my local area but that don't make sense to me. These bus routes run fine now from their current garages so not sure how a threat of withdrawal would do anything.
It's not just about the loudest voices. Living on the line of a bus route I can assure you its not just about noise. There are other factors like vibration and just the sheer volume of traffic. I noticed the difference when Silvertown Way was closed and we had lots of out of service buses using the local roads to head back to DS of an evening.
For balance I think some consideration should be given to residents.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2024 20:25:53 GMT
Simple, withdraw the 80, 93 and 293. If they don't want bus garages, then there is no bus services without them. I hope Merton's planning committee does the right thing instead of just listening to the loudest voices. Ok outside my local area but that don't make sense to me. These bus routes run fine now from their current garages so not sure how a threat of withdrawal would do anything.
It's not just about the loudest voices. Living on the line of a bus route I can assure you its not just about noise. There are other factors like vibration and just the sheer volume of traffic. I noticed the difference when Silvertown Way was closed and we had lots of out of service buses using the local roads to head back to DS of an evening.
For balance I think some consideration should be given to residents. There would be consideration if they didn't choose to live on a road that has almost 100,000 sqm of industrial estate on it. The residents also seem to be against having deckers on the 293.
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Post by WH241 on Feb 14, 2024 20:31:18 GMT
Ok outside my local area but that don't make sense to me. These bus routes run fine now from their current garages so not sure how a threat of withdrawal would do anything.
It's not just about the loudest voices. Living on the line of a bus route I can assure you its not just about noise. There are other factors like vibration and just the sheer volume of traffic. I noticed the difference when Silvertown Way was closed and we had lots of out of service buses using the local roads to head back to DS of an evening.
For balance I think some consideration should be given to residents. There would be consideration if they didn't choose to live on a road that has almost 100,000 sqm of industrial estate on it. The residents also seem to be against having deckers on the 293. But not everyone gets a choice where they live. Just because there is something there already doesn't mean its fine to just keep adding to it.
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Post by southlondon413 on Feb 14, 2024 21:07:58 GMT
There would be consideration if they didn't choose to live on a road that has almost 100,000 sqm of industrial estate on it. The residents also seem to be against having deckers on the 293. But not everyone gets a choice where they live. Just because there is something there already doesn't mean its fine to just keep adding to it. The industrial estate goes as far back as the 1920s. Far longer than the any of residents have existed. I’d understand if it was a new industrial estate but it has existed there in some form for a lot longer than housing has. They chose to buy a house there, knowing full well it’s a working industrial area. These aren’t council houses either, so it is entirely a choice. I live by one rule when it comes to property don’t complain if it’s already existing.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Feb 14, 2024 21:11:53 GMT
There would be consideration if they didn't choose to live on a road that has almost 100,000 sqm of industrial estate on it. The residents also seem to be against having deckers on the 293. But not everyone gets a choice where they live. Just because there is something there already doesn't mean its fine to just keep adding to it. However that does not mean you then impede local development, a garage the size of Garth Road will add to employment opportunities and hopefully better bus provision in the area. I live next to a rail line but if I demanded there be no additions ever you'd never get an increase on the London Overground and c2c again. Why should someone up in Walthamstow need to suffer as a result of me wanting a bit less noise?
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Post by towerman on Feb 14, 2024 22:30:46 GMT
Used to live in a road that had the Barking-Kentish Town line running along the bottom in the steam and early diesel days,had freight trains running 24/7 weekdays plus the passenger trains all week,also had a coal yard(Queens Rd)& goods yard(Boundary Rd) with trains shunting during weekdays.Never disturbed us.
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Post by DT 11 on Feb 15, 2024 9:57:29 GMT
But not everyone gets a choice where they live. Just because there is something there already doesn't mean its fine to just keep adding to it. However that does not mean you then impede local development, a garage the size of Garth Road will add to employment opportunities and hopefully better bus provision in the area. I live next to a rail line but if I demanded there be no additions ever you'd never get an increase on the London Overground and c2c again. Why should someone up in Walthamstow need to suffer as a result of me wanting a bit less noise? The current residents living there if the plan does Go Ahead then some people may sell up or continue complaining, new people will move in and not make a fuss. 43 Electric Buses will barely make any noise at the end of the day the buses will be running dead early and late. They bought houses in an industrial estate… don’t complain.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2024 18:45:51 GMT
Subject to the plans being approved by the council, work will commence on site w/c 8th April.
Options have been mooted of the 80, 118 & 157 moving in as previously mentioned or the 163, 164 & 413 block. The second block suggests to me (due to low combined PVR vs total capacity) that they will try to bid for & win the 293.
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