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Post by ucm131 on Apr 2, 2024 3:12:12 GMT
We reached 1/3 of the year and the proposals we got was removing hail and ride sections from the 273, 188 reroute and N518. Are there any leaks or rumors regarding any proposals, for the fact that I do know that the 223 is getting another one this year for the oxhey lane extension but does anyone know other leaks or rumors for which borough or any other route will be getting an extension, because I do recall a similar thread was posted last year.
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Post by TB123 on Apr 2, 2024 6:51:39 GMT
There will likely be a Southall area consultation later this year including the introduction of a new 495 route.
I believe the Meridian Water consultation should also go live this year, too.
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Post by britishguy54 on Apr 2, 2024 8:42:07 GMT
Not definitively 2024, but sooner rather than later… the EL4 may end up getting a consultation, in relation to Barking & Dagenham and Havering.
Currently, it’s speculated to go between: Barking Riverside - Castle Green - Becontree - Becontree Heath - Romford
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Post by southlondonbus on Apr 2, 2024 9:50:02 GMT
There will likely be a Southall area consultation later this year including the introduction of a new 495 route. I believe the Meridian Water consultation should also go live this year, too. There was rumoured Catford/Lewisham and Bromley aswell plus Carshalton was mentioned aswell.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Apr 2, 2024 10:41:41 GMT
Not definitively 2024, but sooner rather than later… the EL4 may end up getting a consultation, in relation to Barking & Dagenham and Havering. Currently, it’s speculated to go between: Barking Riverside - Castle Green - Becontree - Becontree Heath - Romford When did it get speculated to go Romford? I think it will certainly be later as opposed to sooner. All that's happened is some councils say they want the route, TfL will need to study the travel patterns and then decide on value for money before anything even happens on it. The extension of the Overground deals with most of Barking Riverside for now.
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Post by ThinLizzy on Apr 3, 2024 19:58:52 GMT
Not definitively 2024, but sooner rather than later… the EL4 may end up getting a consultation, in relation to Barking & Dagenham and Havering. Currently, it’s speculated to go between: Barking Riverside - Castle Green - Becontree - Becontree Heath - Romford When did it get speculated to go Romford? I think it will certainly be later as opposed to sooner. All that's happened is some councils say they want the route, TfL will need to study the travel patterns and then decide on value for money before anything even happens on it. The extension of the Overground deals with most of Barking Riverside for now. I really don’t see much point in another route running between Becontree Heath and Romford on top of the 5, 103, 128, 175 and 499.
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Post by mondraker275 on Apr 4, 2024 8:31:27 GMT
When did it get speculated to go Romford? I think it will certainly be later as opposed to sooner. All that's happened is some councils say they want the route, TfL will need to study the travel patterns and then decide on value for money before anything even happens on it. The extension of the Overground deals with most of Barking Riverside for now. I really don’t see much point in another route running between Becontree Heath and Romford on top of the 5, 103, 128, 175 and 499. Unless there is an express version and instead EL4 becomes BL2 and is known as the BarkLoop.
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Post by londonbuses on May 3, 2024 12:06:26 GMT
I'd expect to see quite a few consultations released in the next two weeks, and the outcome of the ones which are closed (such as the Uxbridge routes) to be released.
I predict there will be consultations for Southall, Carshalton/Wallington, Bromley, 414, Meridian Water and Superloop X112 coming out fairly soon. Other Superloop routes will probably follow much later in the year and into 2025, and I also wouldn't be surprised if they looked at Kingston in the near future too.
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Post by ilovelondonbuses on May 3, 2024 12:13:16 GMT
I’m expecting a route SL5/SL7 consultation in some form in the coming weeks/months.
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Post by twobellstogo on May 3, 2024 14:48:43 GMT
I'd expect to see quite a few consultations released in the next two weeks, and the outcome of the ones which are closed (such as the Uxbridge routes) to be released. I predict there will be consultations for Southall, Carshalton/Wallington, Bromley, 414, Meridian Water and Superloop X112 coming out fairly soon. Other Superloop routes will probably follow much later in the year and into 2025, and I also wouldn't be surprised if they looked at Kingston in the near future too. I have heard Kingston rumoured more than once, and although slightly off topic, but in a similar area, Surrey CC have aspirations to make all what they call ‘category 1’ bus routes at least 2 bph within 18-24 months.
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Post by londonbuses on May 3, 2024 15:19:40 GMT
I'd expect to see quite a few consultations released in the next two weeks, and the outcome of the ones which are closed (such as the Uxbridge routes) to be released. I predict there will be consultations for Southall, Carshalton/Wallington, Bromley, 414, Meridian Water and Superloop X112 coming out fairly soon. Other Superloop routes will probably follow much later in the year and into 2025, and I also wouldn't be surprised if they looked at Kingston in the near future too. I have heard Kingston rumoured more than once, and although slightly off topic, but in a similar area, Surrey CC have aspirations to make all what they call ‘category 1’ bus routes at least 2 bph within 18-24 months. Kingston does need a good look at to be honest, the K routes especially could do with some sorting out. An extension of the 71 to Ham would also do quite well (with the 671 withdrawn), and would be relatively cheap for the benefits it would give. Very interesting about the Surrey routes, good to hear they are improving frequencies but I foresee it causing problems for the cross-border services as they can't compete with TfL services. I believe the 166 between Banstead and Epsom is "category 1", so it will be interesting to see how TfL and Surrey go about increasing its frequency (especially with the current 3bph making it impossible to implement a half hourly service between Banstead and Epsom).
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Post by TB123 on May 3, 2024 15:25:01 GMT
I have heard Kingston rumoured more than once, and although slightly off topic, but in a similar area, Surrey CC have aspirations to make all what they call ‘category 1’ bus routes at least 2 bph within 18-24 months. Kingston does need a good look at to be honest, the K routes especially could do with some sorting out. An extension of the 71 to Ham would also do quite well (with the 671 withdrawn), and would be relatively cheap for the benefits it would give. Very interesting about the Surrey routes, good to hear they are improving frequencies but I foresee it causing problems for the cross-border services as they can't compete with TfL services. I believe the 166 between Banstead and Epsom is "category 1", so it will be interesting to see how TfL and Surrey go about increasing its frequency (especially with the current 3bph making it impossible to implement a half hourly service between Banstead and Epsom). How it would be impossible? As it stands the 166 is essentially 3 buses Croydon-Epsom and 5 buses Croydon-Banstead. If it was increased to 2bph to Epsom, you'd have 6 buses Croydon-Epsom and 2 buses Croydon-Banstead. There's no interworking of buses and drivers involving the 166 either, so no issue for a scheduler worth their weight.
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Post by TB123 on May 3, 2024 15:27:58 GMT
I'd expect to see quite a few consultations released in the next two weeks, and the outcome of the ones which are closed (such as the Uxbridge routes) to be released. I predict there will be consultations for Southall, Carshalton/Wallington, Bromley, 414, Meridian Water and Superloop X112 coming out fairly soon. Other Superloop routes will probably follow much later in the year and into 2025, and I also wouldn't be surprised if they looked at Kingston in the near future too. I have heard Kingston rumoured more than once, and although slightly off topic, but in a similar area, Surrey CC have aspirations to make all what they call ‘category 1’ bus routes at least 2 bph within 18-24 months. Out of curiosity has it been posted anywhere about Surrey's aspiration for 2bph on their category 1 services? It's a great idea but very expensive! And I wonder how they'd fund it.
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Post by londonbuses on May 3, 2024 15:28:51 GMT
Kingston does need a good look at to be honest, the K routes especially could do with some sorting out. An extension of the 71 to Ham would also do quite well (with the 671 withdrawn), and would be relatively cheap for the benefits it would give. Very interesting about the Surrey routes, good to hear they are improving frequencies but I foresee it causing problems for the cross-border services as they can't compete with TfL services. I believe the 166 between Banstead and Epsom is "category 1", so it will be interesting to see how TfL and Surrey go about increasing its frequency (especially with the current 3bph making it impossible to implement a half hourly service between Banstead and Epsom). How it would be impossible? As it stands the 166 is essentially 3 buses Croydon-Epsom and 5 buses Croydon-Banstead. If it was increased to 2bph to Epsom, you'd have 6 buses Croydon-Epsom and 2 buses Croydon-Banstead. There's no interworking of buses and drivers involving the 166 either, so no issue for a scheduler worth their weight. Let me rephrase that, an evenly spaced 2bph. Not much point in operating an alternating 20/40 frequency, the only options would be to run all 3bph through to Epsom (would require quite a bit of money from Surrey), or 4bph to Banstead/2bph to Epsom (would increase costs for TfL).
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Post by SILENCED on May 3, 2024 15:45:17 GMT
How it would be impossible? As it stands the 166 is essentially 3 buses Croydon-Epsom and 5 buses Croydon-Banstead. If it was increased to 2bph to Epsom, you'd have 6 buses Croydon-Epsom and 2 buses Croydon-Banstead. There's no interworking of buses and drivers involving the 166 either, so no issue for a scheduler worth their weight. Let me rephrase that, an evenly spaced 2bph. Not much point in operating an alternating 20/40 frequency, the only options would be to run all 3bph through to Epsom (would require quite a bit of money from Surrey), or 4bph to Banstead/2bph to Epsom (would increase costs for TfL). Other option would be for Surrey to fund a 2bph from Banstead to Epsom, and 166 cut back to Banstead
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