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Post by londonbuses on Apr 10, 2024 19:14:22 GMT
Arguably the X26 at Quality Line from 2012 to 2017 could be considered an aberration - excellent buses, but reliability was questionable and it was no surprise that it went back to GAL after 5 years.
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Post by COBO on Apr 10, 2024 19:44:10 GMT
That's a considerably large timespan as well... I thought the 335 arrangement is bad. Arriva owned Tellings Golden Miller (TGM). TGM bid for the E10 from their Heathrow base, but ran under Arriva branding and interiors. They carried legals based in Hounslow TW6 IIRC. Unfortunately the first ever Euro6 E200 they bought was riddled with problems, gearbox problems meant Dartford, the nearest garage from Hounslow had to cover with elderly Cadets using A4 sheets for blinds for a while. It all was brought under Arriva London North at Dartford. The garage was too far away for Arriva to manage well, and eventually they surrendered the route to RATP in 2017. I believe YX14RYR and her sisters are on the S3 now out of Tolworth after TUK / Abellio gained the E10. I think they are coded SDE***** now. That concludes our Bus Trivia for the evening Not only Cadets showed up but 06 reg PDLs and the ENRs showed up on the E10 I remember when the E10 was bought onto Arriva London a few off 377s 16 reg ENNs started to appear on the E10. I think that Arriva London was sourcing from E to cover the ENNs on the E10.
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Post by M1199 on Apr 10, 2024 20:08:49 GMT
That's a considerably large timespan as well... I thought the 335 arrangement is bad. Arriva owned Tellings Golden Miller (TGM). TGM bid for the E10 from their Heathrow base, but ran under Arriva branding and interiors. They carried legals based in Hounslow TW6 IIRC. Unfortunately the first ever Euro6 E200 they bought was riddled with problems, gearbox problems meant Dartford, the nearest garage from Hounslow had to cover with elderly Cadets using A4 sheets for blinds for a while. It all was brought under Arriva London North at Dartford. The garage was too far away for Arriva to manage well, and eventually they surrendered the route to RATP in 2017. I believe YX14RYR and her sisters are on the S3 now out of Tolworth after TUK / Abellio gained the E10. I think they are coded SDE***** now. That concludes our Bus Trivia for the evening Didn’t they also have issues with the rear suspension from hitting the bumps on Ferrymead Ave! Pretty sure I can remember a post from stubag mentioning about a gearbox falling off whilst it was out in service!
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Post by southlondonbus on Apr 10, 2024 21:12:41 GMT
The 92 being converted to single decker in the 90’s. Horrible times. Also around the same time the 105 being run by London & Country from Addlestone bus garage (or somewhere nearby). Probably the worst breakdown in service I’ve experienced. The first week of operations was a nightmare. You could be waiting for an hour in Greenford before a single bus appeared. Yes, there was a time when so many routes in west London went single-deck that there were few fully double-deck routes other than routes 18,83 and 207. Thank you for others that all of you have posted here. Both stints of route 25 with First, later Tower Transit, feel like aberrations. It feels too big and important a route to be lost by former LBL subsidiary East London, now of course Stagecoach (but Macquarie 2006-10). In fact, to a lesser extent its whole time away from BW feels a bit of a long-term aberration! Absolutely. Many areas in zone 2/3 had a large amount of SD routes. Battersea for example had the 49/239/319/344/345 with arguably only the 44 and 137 using DDs. Clapham aswell had SDs on the 155/255/345/355. 249 was the only DD route at Tooting Bec out of 5 routes!
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Post by redexpress on Apr 10, 2024 21:39:01 GMT
Yes, there was a time when so many routes in west London went single-deck that there were few fully double-deck routes other than routes 18,83 and 207. Thank you for others that all of you have posted here. Both stints of route 25 with First, later Tower Transit, feel like aberrations. It feels too big and important a route to be lost by former LBL subsidiary East London, now of course Stagecoach (but Macquarie 2006-10). In fact, to a lesser extent its whole time away from BW feels a bit of a long-term aberration! Absolutely. Many areas in zone 2/3 had a large amount of SD routes. Battersea for example had the 49/239/319/344/345 with arguably only the 44 and 137 using DDs. Clapham aswell had SDs on the 155/255/345/355. 249 was the only DD route at Tooting Bec out of 5 routes! And the 249 was SD for many years too, with DDs scheduled only on a few peak journeys. It converted to full DD with a frequency reduction in 1999 largely as a result of driver shortages. Prior to this I think the only fully DD route serving Tooting Bec would have been the N155.
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Post by vjaska on Apr 10, 2024 21:41:06 GMT
Yes, there was a time when so many routes in west London went single-deck that there were few fully double-deck routes other than routes 18,83 and 207. Thank you for others that all of you have posted here. Both stints of route 25 with First, later Tower Transit, feel like aberrations. It feels too big and important a route to be lost by former LBL subsidiary East London, now of course Stagecoach (but Macquarie 2006-10). In fact, to a lesser extent its whole time away from BW feels a bit of a long-term aberration! Absolutely. Many areas in zone 2/3 had a large amount of SD routes. Battersea for example had the 49/239/319/344/345 with arguably only the 44 and 137 using DDs. Clapham aswell had SDs on the 155/255/345/355. 249 was the only DD route at Tooting Bec out of 5 routes! 88 even had 4 years in the 90's as a single decker route, utter madness quite frankly
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Post by ServerKing on Apr 10, 2024 23:37:04 GMT
Arriva owned Tellings Golden Miller (TGM). TGM bid for the E10 from their Heathrow base, but ran under Arriva branding and interiors. They carried legals based in Hounslow TW6 IIRC. Unfortunately the first ever Euro6 E200 they bought was riddled with problems, gearbox problems meant Dartford, the nearest garage from Hounslow had to cover with elderly Cadets using A4 sheets for blinds for a while. It all was brought under Arriva London North at Dartford. The garage was too far away for Arriva to manage well, and eventually they surrendered the route to RATP in 2017. I believe YX14RYR and her sisters are on the S3 now out of Tolworth after TUK / Abellio gained the E10. I think they are coded SDE***** now. That concludes our Bus Trivia for the evening Didn’t they also have issues with the rear suspension from hitting the bumps on Ferrymead Ave! Pretty sure I can remember a post from stubag mentioning about a gearbox falling off whilst it was out in service! They were cursed, lol... it was nice to see Arriva buses appear in west London, after I moved to Brentford from Wood Green for a few years. Those buses hated the speed bumps around Northolt, and I think a gearbox did work loose or fall out. The Cadets deputised whilst ADL took the whole batch back for repair. I never thought the ENRs were dragged all the way round the M25 for work on the E10 Think Heathrow was an outstation of Dartford, but I would have thought Garston would have been closer (but I think Kent Thameside ran DT before it moved to Arriva London with Grays and Garston)... it was too far away, but biggest aberration since Metroline won the 30 and it was weird seeing them in Hackney, almost as weird as Stagecoach with the 242 as Arriva had that route since it started from the old 22B years ago WVN23 is an aberration of the last diesel which has refused to move from the 476
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Apr 13, 2024 20:29:04 GMT
Absolutely. Many areas in zone 2/3 had a large amount of SD routes. Battersea for example had the 49/239/319/344/345 with arguably only the 44 and 137 using DDs. Clapham aswell had SDs on the 155/255/345/355. 249 was the only DD route at Tooting Bec out of 5 routes! 88 even had 4 years in the 90's as a single decker route, utter madness quite frankly Around the same time 1993-97 route 113 was single-deck too.
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Post by mondraker275 on Apr 19, 2024 16:07:38 GMT
Randomly came across a picture of a DW on the 48 and my mind went blank. Then remembered 48 was under Arriva with LTs when it got axed which in itself was weird but the DWs even weirder. Absolutely no recall on them.
I guess Metroline on the 34 is another that was a weird oddity, especially the Enviros.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Apr 20, 2024 3:34:33 GMT
Randomly came across a picture of a DW on the 48 and my mind went blank. Then remembered 48 was under Arriva with LTs when it got axed which in itself was weird but the DWs even weirder. Absolutely no recall on them. I guess Metroline on the 34 is another that was a weird oddity, especially the Enviros. In time Metroline running route 34 will indeed seem an aberration, given that they did not even bid to regain it this time.
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Post by londonbusbro on Apr 26, 2024 19:35:41 GMT
172 is another example as well as the 432
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Post by vjaska on Apr 27, 2024 2:04:09 GMT
172 is another example as well as the 432 Why is the 432 an abberation?
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Post by kmkcheng on Apr 27, 2024 17:42:41 GMT
The 183 being converted to single deck in 1999 which turned out to be a massive mistake with double deckers returning after 2 years.
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Post by wirewiper on Apr 27, 2024 18:09:25 GMT
The 183 being converted to single deck in 1999 which turned out to be a massive mistake with double deckers returning after 2 years. Except it wasn't. The service frequency was increased substantially when the route was converted to single deck. This attracted so many new passengers that when the double deckers were reintroduced, it was at the increased frequency. If that’s a mistake, let's make more of them!
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Post by vjaska on Apr 27, 2024 18:21:47 GMT
The 183 being converted to single deck in 1999 which turned out to be a massive mistake with double deckers returning after 2 years. Except it wasn't. The service frequency was increased substantially when the route was converted to single deck. This attracted so many new passengers that when the double deckers were reintroduced, it was at the increased frequency. If that’s a mistake, let's make more of them! If it remained double decker, there’s nothing to say it wouldn’t have seen those increases especially as it saw further increases after converting. Imagine trying to do that sort of policy now, people would probably flock to other alternatives
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