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Post by busoccultation on Oct 30, 2023 15:21:23 GMT
Not sure with the negativity around 123 getting cut back to Turnpike Lane. Wood Green High Road is not Oxford Circus. It is pretty short and people can end up on whatever end to take a bus. As mentioned this is more creating space for 91 at Wood Green. Also cutting back the 123 probably saves the most money of all options. I would say the main problem for the 123 is that you can't get off the bus and wait for the bus at the same stop to complete your journey along Wood Green High Road while with the 232 you can get off along Green Lanes for either 121, 141 or 329 or at Arnos Grove and get the 184 to complete your journey to Turnpike Lane. Westbury Avenue would have all 4 routes terminating at Turnpike Lane Station and nothing serving the shops up the High Road apart from the 144 at the top end of the road plus whatever you can get Turnpike Lane Station, Lordship Lane (the section where the 123 runs) has either the 243 that only serves the Wood Green station area or the 123 at Turnpike Lane Bus Station, Bruce Grove and Tottenham High Road (North of the police station) is the same as Lordship Lane and in addition has the W4, but knowing the W4 it uses small single deckers and also overcrowding is an issue. While I'm not saying the 123 changes are absolutely the most inconvenient thing in the world, this is just merely addressing the concerns and also knowing that our dear snoggle would likely be said about this in a more vocal manner if he was still alive.
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Post by cardinal on Oct 30, 2023 15:58:19 GMT
haveyoursay.tfl.gov.uk/haringey-heartlandsLong awaited Haringey Heartlands consultation opened. 91 extended from Crouch End to Wood Green via Haringey Heartlands development. N91 rerouted via the new development 123 curtailed to terminate at Turnpike Lane station 232 curtailed at Wood Green station then diverted to terminate at Haringey Heartlands development The 91 going to Wood Green is literally the 14A returning back to it's original roots. My thoughts exactly - Places it firmly within an Arriva gain in the future as well 👍
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Oct 30, 2023 16:24:52 GMT
The 91 going to Wood Green is literally the 14A returning back to it's original roots. My thoughts exactly - Places it firmly within an Arriva gain in the future as well 👍 If they bid for it, they weren't very interested in the 232.
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Post by vjaska on Oct 30, 2023 17:46:37 GMT
Not sure with the negativity around 123 getting cut back to Turnpike Lane. Wood Green High Road is not Oxford Circus. It is pretty short and people can end up on whatever end to take a bus. As mentioned this is more creating space for 91 at Wood Green. Also cutting back the 123 probably saves the most money of all options. I would say the main problem for the 123 is that you can't get off the bus and wait for the bus at the same stop to complete your journey along Wood Green High Road while with the 232 you can get off along Green Lanes for either 121, 141 or 329 or at Arnos Grove and get the 184 to complete your journey to Turnpike Lane. Westbury Avenue would have all 4 routes terminating at Turnpike Lane Station and nothing serving the shops up the High Road apart from the 144 at the top end of the road plus whatever you can get Turnpike Lane Station, Lordship Lane (the section where the 123 runs) has either the 243 that only serves the Wood Green station area or the 123 at Turnpike Lane Bus Station, Bruce Grove and Tottenham High Road (North of the police station) is the same as Lordship Lane and in addition has the W4, but knowing the W4 it uses small single deckers and also overcrowding is an issue. While I'm not saying the 123 changes are absolutely the most inconvenient thing in the world, this is just merely addressing the concerns and also knowing that our dear snoggle would likely be said about this in a more vocal manner if he was still alive.
Not only that but why I asked my original question is it's this sort of change that can lead people to deserting public transport. The 91 is a good change but it's then paired up with the 123 change which something that only makes sense in terms of making space of the 91 but doesn't for passengers requiring Wood Green.
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Post by routew15 on Oct 30, 2023 17:46:54 GMT
The 91 extension is a good idea. The 232 is a not bad idea. I understand TfL think Wood Green High Road is overbussed, but I think they have missed a trick with the 123. They should send it to Turnpike Lane via Lordship Lane and Wood Green High Road - this way you get the stand space at Wood Green but retain the orbital links from Wood Green and Turnpike Lane.
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Post by WH241 on Oct 30, 2023 17:48:40 GMT
The 91 going to Wood Green is literally the 14A returning back to it's original roots. My thoughts exactly - Places it firmly within an Arriva gain in the future as well 👍 The revised routing is not that different for the 91 to suddenly making a guaranteed Arriva gain.
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Post by WH241 on Oct 30, 2023 17:52:05 GMT
The 91 extension is a good idea. The 232 is a not bad idea. I understand TfL think Wood Green High Road is overbussed, but I think they have missed a trick with the 123. They should send it to Turnpike Lane via Lordship Lane and Wood Green High Road - this way you get the stand space at Wood Green but retain the orbital links from Wood Green and Turnpike Lane. They still might! As with previous consultations changes have been made after feedback.
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Post by ADH45258 on Oct 30, 2023 17:54:47 GMT
The 91 going to Wood Green is literally the 14A returning back to it's original roots. My thoughts exactly - Places it firmly within an Arriva gain in the future as well 👍 Arriva easily could have bid for the 91 in the past if they wanted to - WN is not far from Crouch End, definitely the next best placed garage for the route after HT.
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Post by ADH45258 on Oct 30, 2023 18:03:11 GMT
These definitely seem a good set of changes. Not sure if the 232 would be well used to/from the Heartlands redevelopment, but it might just be to free up stand space. Would have thought the 91 and 232 could both fit at the current Wood Green stand though, since at least the 243 has been reduced in frequency in recent years.
The 123 will make some savings in being cut back to Turnpike Lane - and shouldn't have much impact since the 230 and 243 will still serve Wood Green.
And the 91 offers some useful new links, particularly as the 41 only serves Turnpike Lane, plus also providing an alternative to the 29 and W3 for certain journeys. Also brings the 91 a little bit closer to NP - I wonder if Go Ahead might have been aware of the potential extension when bidding for the current contract?
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Post by COBO on Oct 30, 2023 18:05:09 GMT
The extension of the 91 brings it much closer to NP than its current terminus and on the doorstep of WN. I wonder if the new terminus will bring the return of the LTs back to the 91. LTs haven’t have any problems at Wood Green as the 67 uses LT and that terminates at Wood Green.
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Post by WH241 on Oct 30, 2023 18:21:34 GMT
The extension of the 91 brings it much closer to NP than its current terminus and on the doorstep of WN. I wonder if the new terminus will bring the return of the LTs back to the 91. LTs haven’t have any problems at Wood Green as the 67 uses LT and that terminates at Wood Green. Doubt they would go to the trouble of converting the route back to LT! The 91 has its own batch of buses now and can’t see any benefit of converting the route again.
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Post by WH241 on Oct 30, 2023 18:24:36 GMT
I would say the main problem for the 123 is that you can't get off the bus and wait for the bus at the same stop to complete your journey along Wood Green High Road while with the 232 you can get off along Green Lanes for either 121, 141 or 329 or at Arnos Grove and get the 184 to complete your journey to Turnpike Lane. Westbury Avenue would have all 4 routes terminating at Turnpike Lane Station and nothing serving the shops up the High Road apart from the 144 at the top end of the road plus whatever you can get Turnpike Lane Station, Lordship Lane (the section where the 123 runs) has either the 243 that only serves the Wood Green station area or the 123 at Turnpike Lane Bus Station, Bruce Grove and Tottenham High Road (North of the police station) is the same as Lordship Lane and in addition has the W4, but knowing the W4 it uses small single deckers and also overcrowding is an issue. While I'm not saying the 123 changes are absolutely the most inconvenient thing in the world, this is just merely addressing the concerns and also knowing that our dear snoggle would likely be said about this in a more vocal manner if he was still alive.
Not only that but why I asked my original question is it's this sort of change that can lead people to deserting public transport. The 91 is a good change but it's then paired up with the 123 change which something that only makes sense in terms of making space of the 91 but doesn't for passengers requiring Wood Green. I know the forum lacks any trust in TfL but maybe they have usage data for the 123 and the cut back can be justified. Changes have to be made sometimes and you can’t keep using the deserting public transport every time you don’t like a proposal. TfL always still has to balance its books! The recent bailout doesn’t mean it has unlimited funds.
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Post by southlondonbus on Oct 30, 2023 18:24:38 GMT
The extension of the 91 brings it much closer to NP than its current terminus and on the doorstep of WN. I wonder if the new terminus will bring the return of the LTs back to the 91. LTs haven’t have any problems at Wood Green as the 67 uses LT and that terminates at Wood Green. Doubt they would go to the trouble of converting the route back to LT! The 91 has its own batch of buses now and can’t see any benefit of converting the route again. I wonder thou if that was being factored into the go ahead needing hybrids for the 476? The 40 and 185 pretty much cater for the 89/147/601 and extra on the 1.
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Post by WH241 on Oct 30, 2023 18:33:01 GMT
Doubt they would go to the trouble of converting the route back to LT! The 91 has its own batch of buses now and can’t see any benefit of converting the route again. I wonder thou if that was being factored into the go ahead needing hybrids for the 476? The 40 and 185 pretty much cater for the 89/147/601 and extra on the 1. Not convinced to be honest, if anything the 5 is most likely to release buses very soon judging by the amount of LTs moving into RR. I don’t think TfL or Go Ahead can gamble on a consultation going ahead just to release buses for other tenders.
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Post by southlondonbus on Oct 30, 2023 18:38:27 GMT
I wonder thou if that was being factored into the go ahead needing hybrids for the 476? The 40 and 185 pretty much cater for the 89/147/601 and extra on the 1. Not convinced to be honest, if anything the 5 is most likely to release buses very soon judging by the amount of LTs moving into RR. I don’t think TfL or Go Ahead can gamble on a consultation going ahead just to release buses for other tenders. That's true. My money would still be on the 5 aswell and it would have been known by the tender spec that whoever wins it it will be for LTs.
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