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Post by TB123 on Dec 28, 2023 11:37:29 GMT
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Post by TB123 on Dec 28, 2023 14:06:16 GMT
An interesting snippet behind this bid:
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Post by TB123 on Jan 8, 2024 10:32:40 GMT
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Post by TB123 on Jan 13, 2024 14:47:15 GMT
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Post by TB123 on Jan 14, 2024 0:20:09 GMT
Cambridgeshire & Peterborough Combined Authority are teaming up with Stagecoach for 33 new electric buses for Peterborough in their ZEBRA2 bid. Presumably this links in with plans for a new garage in Peterborough suitable for EVs
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Post by TB123 on Jan 15, 2024 12:42:13 GMT
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Post by TB123 on Jan 17, 2024 11:58:08 GMT
documents.hants.gov.uk/transport-fundingbids/ZEBRA2-ApplicationForm.pdfHampshire County Council has teamed up with Stagecoach to bid for 68 new electric buses for Basingstoke and Portsmouth - 57 single decks and 11 double decks - the vehicle options reading through the (redacted) lines appear to be integral ADL Enviros and Volvo BZLs based on the mentioned specifications
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Post by TB123 on Jan 17, 2024 12:31:57 GMT
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Post by mark on Jan 17, 2024 15:10:24 GMT
documents.hants.gov.uk/transport-fundingbids/ZEBRA2-ApplicationForm.pdfHampshire County Council has teamed up with Stagecoach to bid for 68 new electric buses for Basingstoke and Portsmouth - 57 single decks and 11 double decks - the vehicle options reading through the (redacted) lines appear to be integral ADL Enviros and Volvo BZLs based on the mentioned specifications I know it may seem to be buttock clenching pedantry on my part but Basingstoke is not a new town (and HCC should know this!). It was a London overspill town.
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Post by TB123 on Jan 17, 2024 15:17:43 GMT
documents.hants.gov.uk/transport-fundingbids/ZEBRA2-ApplicationForm.pdfHampshire County Council has teamed up with Stagecoach to bid for 68 new electric buses for Basingstoke and Portsmouth - 57 single decks and 11 double decks - the vehicle options reading through the (redacted) lines appear to be integral ADL Enviros and Volvo BZLs based on the mentioned specifications I know it may seem to be buttock clenching pedantry on my part but Basingstoke is not a new town (and HCC should know this!). It was a London overspill town. Yes, quite! Though to the untrained eye new towns and hugely expanded London overspill towns are somewhat similar with their big roads and high concentration of office stock as well as town centre shops built around cars. It's interesting that the 1945-1980s trend of London population falling whilst commuter towns like Basingstoke boom has very much come back in fashion in the last couple of years. Anyhow, back to ZEBRA....i'm doing my best to find more bid submissions but some are authorities are more 'secretive' than others! Call me cynical but I suspect this Hampshire bid has a fair chance of success as it encompasses 2 Tory seats predicted to go Labour at the next election....
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Post by mark on Jan 17, 2024 15:26:28 GMT
documents.hants.gov.uk/transport-fundingbids/ZEBRA2-ApplicationForm.pdfHampshire County Council has teamed up with Stagecoach to bid for 68 new electric buses for Basingstoke and Portsmouth - 57 single decks and 11 double decks - the vehicle options reading through the (redacted) lines appear to be integral ADL Enviros and Volvo BZLs based on the mentioned specifications I know it may seem to be buttock clenching pedantry on my part but Basingstoke is not a new town (and HCC should know this!). It was a London overspill town. Somewhat less flippantly, there are a couple of interesting snippets… Firstly, of Go South Coast’s Southampton base (the ex SCT/First garage in Portswood it says: “Go South Coast operate an extensive bus network branded as Bluestar, covering the Southampton travel to work area, from a large purpose-built bus depot in Southampton which lacks the spare grid capacity needed to accommodate charging of battery electric buses. This operator was therefore not included in the HCC bid”. Its comment on the viability of hydrogen is also worthy (not least as it reflects own view!). “Data suggests hydrogen vehicles are currently well in excess of becoming cost neutral, with TCO modelling indicating a 32% premium over conventional diesel. Coupled with the current lack of hydrogen fuel production in the UK, this makes the technology impossible to justify as it does not currently stack up – it requires three times the level of electricity to produce the equivalent kwh for EV. Hydrogen fuel cost has also risen 800% in last 12 months (spot price from £6pkg to £51pkg). On this basis, Stagecoach is committing to battery electric for future new vehicle investment within the UK”. The cost benefit analysis suggests battery replacement at year 10.
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Post by mark on Jan 17, 2024 15:34:37 GMT
Anyhow, back to ZEBRA....i'm doing my best to find more bid submissions but some are authorities are more 'secretive' than others! Call me cynical but I suspect this Hampshire bid has a fair chance of success as it encompasses 2 Tory seats predicted to go Labour at the next election.... ...although looking at the rantings in the comments pages of the Daily Heil following last week's Electroliner fire in Wimbledon I'm not sure that the average Tory voter cares that much about battery-electric buses. Separately, HCC is saying that it'll withdraw all funding for local bus services from April 2025 - see www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-67313030
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Post by TB123 on Jan 17, 2024 15:43:40 GMT
Somewhat less flippantly, there are a couple of interesting snippets… Firstly, of Go South Coast’s Southampton base (the ex SCT/First garage in Portswood it says: “Go South Coast operate an extensive bus network branded as Bluestar, covering the Southampton travel to work area, from a large purpose-built bus depot in Southampton which lacks the spare grid capacity needed to accommodate charging of battery electric buses. This operator was therefore not included in the HCC bid”. Its comment on the viability of hydrogen is also worthy (not least as it reflects own view!). “Data suggests hydrogen vehicles are currently well in excess of becoming cost neutral, with TCO modelling indicating a 32% premium over conventional diesel. Coupled with the current lack of hydrogen fuel production in the UK, this makes the technology impossible to justify as it does not currently stack up – it requires three times the level of electricity to produce the equivalent kwh for EV. Hydrogen fuel cost has also risen 800% in last 12 months (spot price from £6pkg to £51pkg). On this basis, Stagecoach is committing to battery electric for future new vehicle investment within the UK”. The cost benefit analysis suggests battery replacement at year 10. I know Go South Coast/Southampton were considering a ZEBRA2 bid for Unilink but judging by an article about GSC regarding this it doesn't appear to be happening, somewhat disappointing for such a large city.
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Post by edvid on Jan 17, 2024 16:01:24 GMT
It would be interesting to know the combined value of the submitted bids. Even accounting for some Expressions of Interest not becoming formal bids, I think we will count the 50+ bus bids that win a share of the £129 million pot on one hand. Anyhow, back to ZEBRA....i'm doing my best to find more bid submissions but some are authorities are more 'secretive' than others! Call me cynical but I suspect this Hampshire bid has a fair chance of success as it encompasses 2 Tory seats predicted to go Labour at the next election.... ...although looking at the rantings in the comments pages of the Daily Heil following last week's Electroliner fire in Wimbledon I'm not sure that the average Tory voter cares that much about battery-electric buses. Separately, HCC is saying that it'll withdraw all funding for local bus services from April 2025 - see www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-67313030It was one of the (infamous?) Metrodeckers, not Electroliners, that caught fire in Wimbledon.
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Post by TB123 on Jan 17, 2024 16:06:17 GMT
It would be interesting to know the combined value of the submitted bids. Even accounting for some Expressions of Interest not becoming formal bids, I think we will count the 50+ bus bids that win a share of the £129 million pot on one hand. ...although looking at the rantings in the comments pages of the Daily Heil following last week's Electroliner fire in Wimbledon I'm not sure that the average Tory voter cares that much about battery-electric buses. Separately, HCC is saying that it'll withdraw all funding for local bus services from April 2025 - see www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-67313030It was one of the (infamous?) Metrodeckers, not Electroliners, that caught fire in Wimbledon. A lot of the bids are quite small. I could see quite a few bids being funded from it, just smaller ones. This postcode lottery is somewhat silly. If you ask me, anywhere with a good business case should have it's bid funded....
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