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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2016 8:01:33 GMT
Here are some gems of excuses for not running trains or announcing longer than normal trains because of shortage of train crew ?..., amusement provided by GoVia .. The shambolic joint venture whose parent firm, Go - Ahead, will not care too much about its rail passengers having to use local buses instead on the South Coast, because they own the buses as well !! Drinks all round...
07:20 Horsham to London Victoria due 08:45
Additional Facilities Information: This service has been reinstated as a result of crew availability changing as a result of a fault on a train. This is due to a fault on a train.
11:47 London Victoria to Epsom due 12:29
Will be formed of 10 coaches instead of 6. This is due to a shortage of train crew.
11:34 London Victoria to Sutton Surrey due 12:18
Will be formed of 8 coaches instead of 4. This is due to a shortage of train crew.
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Post by ServerKing on Jul 12, 2016 23:24:37 GMT
Here are some gems of excuses for not running trains or announcing longer than normal trains because of shortage of train crew ?..., amusement provided by GoVia .. The shambolic joint venture whose parent firm, Go - Ahead, will not care too much about its rail passengers having to use local buses instead on the South Coast, because they own the buses as well !! Drinks all round... 07:20 Horsham to London Victoria due 08:45 Additional Facilities Information: This service has been reinstated as a result of crew availability changing as a result of a fault on a train. This is due to a fault on a train. 11:47 London Victoria to Epsom due 12:29 Will be formed of 10 coaches instead of 6. This is due to a shortage of train crew. 11:34 London Victoria to Sutton Surrey due 12:18 Will be formed of 8 coaches instead of 4. This is due to a shortage of train crew. Not the best of lunches I've grabbed in a hurry but there was nothing else around. I used to love Southern fried chicken, but they've destroyed it with the high prices and I had to wait bloody ages Everytime I burp I can still taste it it was very expensive and a letdown but I learnt my lesson
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Post by routew15 on Jul 19, 2016 16:38:47 GMT
As if things weren't bad enough for Southern passengers with the skeleton timetable there's now the disruption due to the 'track fault' / 'sinkhole' in Forest Hill. Must be genuine displeasure to be a Southern commuters. Written from a very packed South London Line - London Overground service
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Post by Nathan on Jul 19, 2016 18:14:14 GMT
As if things weren't bad enough for Southern passengers with the skeleton timetable there's now the disruption due to the 'track fault' / 'sinkhole' in Forest Hill. Must be genuine displeasure to be a Southern commuters. Written from a very packed South London Line - London Overground service Thankfully New Cross Station isn't too far for me, so I can just use the Southeastern service. My 171 got ram packed this evening from New Cross Gate. I wondered why that was, then remembered Things really aren't going well for Southern right now...
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Post by routew15 on Jul 20, 2016 9:43:43 GMT
As if things weren't bad enough for Southern passengers with the skeleton timetable there's now the disruption due to the 'track fault' / 'sinkhole' in Forest Hill. Must be genuine displeasure to be a Southern commuters. Written from a very packed South London Line - London Overground service Thankfully New Cross Station isn't too far for me, so I can just use the Southeastern service. My 171 got ram packed this evening from New Cross Gate. I wondered why that was, then remembered Things really aren't going well for Southern right now... they are not at all. I do hope it gets better for them I think devolution to TfL should wait until the end of franchise when the metro and commuters services can be separated. Focus needs to be strongly put on recruiting, rolling stock improvements or upgrades. The scenario at London Bridge will hopefully improve once the first section of the flyunder is up and running.
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Post by twobellstogo on Aug 7, 2016 13:07:26 GMT
So, another Southern strike imminent.
Is it my imagination, or is this quite possibly the most bitter, long running dispute on the railways for many years? I feel very sorry for regular Southern users, and relieved that my regular commute involves the two TOCs either side of Southern (Southeastern, then SWT, occasionally LO)...
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Post by thewintersoldier on Aug 7, 2016 13:51:56 GMT
So, another Southern strike imminent. Is it my imagination, or is this quite possibly the most bitter, long running dispute on the railways for many years? I feel very sorry for regular Southern users, and relieved that my regular commute involves the two TOCs either side of Southern (Southeastern, then SWT, occasionally LO)... I believe this is the longest running, and a lot of TOC's are watching this with eagle eyes. I feel sorry for southern commuters too, but as a driver for SWT, I'm fed up of being sworn at and cursed on strike days because people still believe everyone works for the same company. When they try to remove guards from SWT or whoever has the franchise at the time, you may expect similar strikes....
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Post by twobellstogo on Aug 7, 2016 14:37:03 GMT
So, another Southern strike imminent. Is it my imagination, or is this quite possibly the most bitter, long running dispute on the railways for many years? I feel very sorry for regular Southern users, and relieved that my regular commute involves the two TOCs either side of Southern (Southeastern, then SWT, occasionally LO)... I believe this is the longest running, and a lot of TOC's are watching this with eagle eyes. I feel sorry for southern commuters too, but as a driver for SWT, I'm fed up of being sworn at and cursed on strike days because people still believe everyone works for the same company. When they try to remove guards from SWT or whoever has the franchise at the time, you may expect similar strikes.... Have a few options if SWT have woe : Piccadilly line to Hounslow then bus 111; District line to Richmond then either R68, or 65, then 111/216/411; District to Wimbledon or Northern to Colliers Wood then 57/131, then 111/216/411. It's Southeastern that would cause me most problems if they went on strike.
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Post by thewintersoldier on Aug 7, 2016 14:40:00 GMT
I believe this is the longest running, and a lot of TOC's are watching this with eagle eyes. I feel sorry for southern commuters too, but as a driver for SWT, I'm fed up of being sworn at and cursed on strike days because people still believe everyone works for the same company. When they try to remove guards from SWT or whoever has the franchise at the time, you may expect similar strikes.... Have a few options if SWT have woe : Piccadilly line to Hounslow then bus 111; District line to Richmond then either R68, or 65, then 111/216/411; District to Wimbledon or Northern to Colliers Wood then 57/131, then 111/216/411. It's Southeastern that would cause me most problems if they went on strike. Well to be honest with SWT having problems at the moment with signalling most of the time sounds like you would have to make that journey once a week! Southeastern serve a lot of places that are not directly accessible via other routes unless it's multiple buses. When they go for a Burton and you are going further via lewisham you are generally in for a world of pain.
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Post by snoggle on Aug 7, 2016 16:58:42 GMT
When they try to remove guards from SWT or whoever has the franchise at the time, you may expect similar strikes.... Glad you said "when" because it seems pretty clear that the DfT are now mandating OPO trains on all new franchises with the guard role being scrapped. Therefore whatever "wars" are currently under way will spread to all other renewed franchises such as Arriva Trains North / Trans Pennine / SWT. There may well be a second person on the train but their absence won't prevent a train departing. That context is why the scrap is proving so bitter on Southern - RMT and ASLEF know this is a tipping point and if they lose then the game is ultimately over. That is also (partly) why the Government are quite content not to intervene because it is their policy to weaken the rail unions and mean lower membership numbers in future (RMT in particular). It is a fight for survival for them too. The other factor is that no one else will take on the TSGN franchise now so Govia can't be kicked off so the government's hand are tied on that too. The franchise is too big to fail - especially as the London Bridge works are ongoing and the class 700s are now coming into service. Government can't allow anything to delay those activities. It short it's an utter, utter mess largely of the Government's creation - not that the media are savvy enough to realise this. For them it's all "nasty unions" vs "money grabbing train company" which is precisely the smoke screen government are happy to have in place.
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Post by thewintersoldier on Aug 7, 2016 17:06:02 GMT
When they try to remove guards from SWT or whoever has the franchise at the time, you may expect similar strikes.... Glad you said "when" because it seems pretty clear that the DfT are now mandating OPO trains on all new franchises with the guard role being scrapped. Therefore whatever "wars" are currently under way will spread to all other renewed franchises such as Arriva Trains North / Trans Pennine / SWT. There may well be a second person on the train but their absence won't prevent a train departing. That context is why the scrap is proving so bitter on Southern - RMT and ASLEF know this is a tipping point and if they lose then the game is ultimately over. That is also (partly) why the Government are quite content not to intervene because it is their policy to weaken the rail unions and mean lower membership numbers in future (RMT in particular). It is a fight for survival for them too. The other factor is that no one else will take on the TSGN franchise now so Govia can't be kicked off so the government's hand are tied on that too. The franchise is too big to fail - especially as the London Bridge works are ongoing and the class 700s are now coming into service. Government can't allow anything to delay those activities. It short it's an utter, utter mess largely of the Government's creation - not that the media are savvy enough to realise this. For them it's all "nasty unions" vs "money grabbing train company" which is precisely the smoke screen government are happy to have in place. Couldn't agree more with you on this Snogs. The recent 707 orders for us include DOO screens and the inability for the guard to walk through the whole train. Infact the only stock now fully preventing DOO would be the 455's as there are no open or close buttons in the cabs (they are in the vestibules as that's where guards operate them from) I reckon guards will be offered a sort of "on train security" role for those who offer to take it. Commercial guard will remain on long distance to check tickets. As you've said above, quite a few companies are watching with eagle eyes, and union wide throughout the country both ASLEF and RMT back a 'say no to DOO' attitude. If southern lose this struggle, it could then cause the end of the guards role right across the country at many TOCS.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Aug 7, 2016 21:35:28 GMT
Southern have released a list of lines which aren't expected to run: Tickets will be accepted : - Between Tulse Hill and West Norwood on routes 2, 432, 468, 68, and 196 - Between Crystal Palace and Beckenham Junction on route 358 - Between Peckham Rye and Herne Hill via North Dulwich on route 37 - Between Queens Road Peckham and New Cross Gate on routes 171, 177, 436 and 136
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Post by Connor on Aug 7, 2016 21:43:27 GMT
A man has been decapitated onboard a Gatwick Express (near Wandsworth Common) after sticking his head out of the window (class 442) and presumably striking a object...a bridge or another train perhaps. Horrific incident, thoughts are with the man's family.
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Post by thewintersoldier on Aug 7, 2016 22:03:48 GMT
A man has been decapitated onboard a Gatwick Express (near Wandsworth Common) after sticking his head out of the window (class 442) and presumably striking a object...a bridge or another train perhaps. Horrific incident, thoughts are with the man's family. He wasn't decapitated. I've read the BTP report. Serious head injury though.
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Post by thewintersoldier on Aug 7, 2016 22:04:13 GMT
07 Aug 2016 21:34 Statement – fatality at Wandsworth We were called at around 5.30pm following a report a man in his 20s had received a serious head injury while travelling on a train between Balham and Wandsworth. Emergency services rushed to the scene but despite their best efforts, nothing could be done to save him. Our investigation remains at an early stage, but initial enquiries suggest the man may have been leaning out of a train door window when he suffered a blow to the head. Officers are currently working to confirm his identity and inform his next of kin. Inspector James Tyrrell from BTP said: “We are aware of a number of reports on social media which say the man was decapitated, however this is not the case. “We are continuing to investigate the circumstances of the incident, which has been reported to the Rail Accident Investigation Branch (RAIB), and I’d urge anyone who saw what happened to contact us.” The death is not being treated as suspicious and a file will be prepared for the coroner. Anyone with information is urged to call BTP on 0800 40 50 40 ref 371 of 07/08/16.
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