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Post by cardinal on Jan 22, 2024 20:28:48 GMT
Questions about this what garage would it run from like what best one Would it be Harrow Weald, Uxbridge, Willesden Junction or they could go to Edgware Well it might not be a Metroline route !?
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Post by buspete on Jan 22, 2024 20:51:23 GMT
As someone pointed out further up the thread, it seems sensible to extend this route to Uxbridge, then it would mirror the Metropolitan Line to some degree. It would be too long a journey from Trafalgar Square to Uxbridge. A potential would be to run a night route from Harrow, or even when the U3 is extended to Ruislip in April (to be confirmed), convert that to 24 hour to provide a all-time connection from Ruislip to Heathrow via Uxbridge Not really, it will give a good option for people who want to travel Wembley/Harrow to Uxbridge which they don't have today.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jan 22, 2024 20:57:17 GMT
So why 518? Seems pretty random. I'm sure there's some 2 digit numbers that could be been used I get the 518. I guess they use the 5 prefix to indicate a route that only runs at night time only, but also signals it doesn’t fully parallel another route. Much like the N550 and N551. Personally following this number pattern I’d renumber the N97 to N597, N20 to N520 and N5 to something like N555 for uniformity (in a drawing with crayons world obviously) I would only a do a re number if the number was needed elsewhere. For example if ever the N15 got restructured then an N5 would be good for the Romford End as maybe a Romford to TSQ route with the N15 say Barking to Oxford Circus. If that was the case then re numbering the N5 to N555 would free the number up.
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Post by enviroPB on Jan 22, 2024 21:19:58 GMT
Ain't Trafalgar Square over bused were would N518 stand or cut N18 to Oxford Circus N518 use N18 stand Technically the stands in Trafalgar Square are overbussed for the 17 or so night routes terminating there. It's not that big an issue however as the buildings around Whitehall are governmental/embassies so buses are free to park around the area with no disruption to the occupants inside. If you're talking about the area in general being overbussed, that's not the case as punters around the West End make the pilgrimage to Trafalgar Square to get night buses home. Traditionally the N18 drivers like to circumnavigate the roundabout at Trafalgar Square and stand near the first stop. Buses are scheduled around 10-12 mins on stand, but that could easily be eaten up heading to Trafalgar Square due to long dwell times at stops as a result of overcrowding. I have experienced this several times after visiting my friend along the Harrow Road.
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Post by southlondon413 on Jan 22, 2024 21:35:43 GMT
Ain't Trafalgar Square over bused were would N518 stand or cut N18 to Oxford Circus N518 use N18 stand Technically the stands in Trafalgar Square are overbussed for the 17 or so night routes terminating there. It's not that big an issue however as the buildings around Whitehall are governmental/embassies so buses are free to park around the area with no disruption to the occupants inside. If you're talking about the area in general being overbussed, that's not the case as punters around the West End make the pilgrimage to Trafalgar Square to get night buses home. Traditionally the N18 drivers like to circumnavigate the roundabout at Trafalgar Square and stand near the first stop. Buses are scheduled around 10-12 mins on stand, but that could easily be eaten up heading to Trafalgar Square due to long dwell times at stops as a result of overcrowding. I have experienced this several times after visiting my friend along the Harrow Road. Not anymore, there are some residential conversions on Whitehall now in ex-government offices. The former Scotland office is one and I think there another one further down that was converted as well.
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Post by Dad91 on Jan 22, 2024 21:37:20 GMT
Technically the stands in Trafalgar Square are overbussed for the 17 or so night routes terminating there. It's not that big an issue however as the buildings around Whitehall are governmental/embassies so buses are free to park around the area with no disruption to the occupants inside. If you're talking about the area in general being overbussed, that's not the case as punters around the West End make the pilgrimage to Trafalgar Square to get night buses home. Traditionally the N18 drivers like to circumnavigate the roundabout at Trafalgar Square and stand near the first stop. Buses are scheduled around 10-12 mins on stand, but that could easily be eaten up heading to Trafalgar Square due to long dwell times at stops as a result of overcrowding. I have experienced this several times after visiting my friend along the Harrow Road. Not anymore, there are some residential conversions on Whitehall now in ex-government offices. The former Scotland office is one and I think there another one further down that was converted as well. oh ok N518 and N18 share stands
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Post by lundnah on Jan 22, 2024 22:08:23 GMT
8 new bus stops to be built, only served by night buses. That’s quite a novelty especially in such a suburban area, I imagine that people will grumble they would prefer a bus service during the day rather than one in the middle of the night. Also the capital cost for those new bus stops seems quite high for what is effectively an experiment. If patronage is less than expected beyond Northolt Park then that money will have been wasted. I’d prefer a slightly more cautious approach with the new night bus service being routed via existing daytime routes or simply operating express over the currently unserved sections of road until demand for the service is proven. There are two night-bus-only bus stops on Warton Road, just off Stratford High Street, used solely by route N205.
Nobody grumbles about them.
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Post by matthieu1221 on Jan 22, 2024 23:11:11 GMT
At least Sadiq is spending his election campaign freezing fares and introducing new night buses, Susan Hall is busy going on LBC not even knowing how much a bus fare is, how much police officers are paid or who owns Hammersmith Bridge. But they are not really frozen unless you just use the bus/tram or the occasional tube. Multimode travel is not being frozen, use Underground and Bus your Travel card will be going up for a wholly TfL journey. It is another Khan spin con. It is another of those let's kick South Londoners in the teeth again Multimodal PAYG caps have to match with NR for some inane reason (the risk that you may be hopping on NR). That won't change unless there is full fare segregation between two the networks (which is the opposite direction things have been headed) or if Overgroundification continues (with TfL fare scales adopted).
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Post by cardinal on Jan 23, 2024 0:14:59 GMT
This is a most welcome proposal . I note the short timeframe so I would hazard a guess and say the n518 is included in the 18/N18 current invitation to tender ?
Capacity wise, X and RP certainly are well suited. Not sure about SO as the DD are all EV now.
Regardless which company runs these routes in the future it’s good news for Ruislip and for the general corridor. Which is very busy as the BBC journalist who lives in NW10 testifies .
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Post by VMH2537 on Jan 23, 2024 9:04:15 GMT
I must say, I'm pleased to see Ruislip and Rayners Lane receiving a full-time night service. One of the few areas not served currently. I also personally hope TfL can take the next steps and look at other areas remote away, looking at Dagenham, Upminster, Great Cambridge Road and New Barnet.
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Post by cardinal on Jan 23, 2024 9:11:12 GMT
I must say, I'm pleased to see Ruislip and Rayners Lane receiving a full-time night service. One of the few areas not served currently. I also personally hope TfL can take the next steps and look at other areas remote away, looking at Dagenham, Upminster, Great Cambridge Road and New Barnet. One step better would be for some options such as Watford , Staines ,Dartford … but understand the pain that would cause some tax payers, plus unlikely Kent , Surrey or Herts would help. But it remains a strategically missing link that places such as as Dartford are cut off - a night bus there could in turn link in with the 24:7 fast track A .
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Post by southlondonbus on Jan 23, 2024 9:16:53 GMT
I must say, I'm pleased to see Ruislip and Rayners Lane receiving a full-time night service. One of the few areas not served currently. I also personally hope TfL can take the next steps and look at other areas remote away, looking at Dagenham, Upminster, Great Cambridge Road and New Barnet. I'm pleased it's been done as a old fashioned central to Outer London night route. I'm also pleased it hasn't resulted in the N18 being standardisation to Euston either.
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Post by aaron1 on Jan 23, 2024 11:16:46 GMT
If this New N518 go ahead I would do is Withdrawn N18 from Trafalgar Square and Great Portland Street and reroute it to Euston or King's Cross so it would follow the rest of the day 18 I always find it odd that N18 go to Trafalgar Square not Euston
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Post by wirewiper on Jan 23, 2024 11:27:11 GMT
If this New N518 go ahead I would do is Withdrawn N18 from Trafalgar Square and Great Portland Street and reroute it to Euston or King's Cross so it would follow the rest of the day 18 I always find it odd that N18 go to Trafalgar Square not Euston I doubt they would do that. The night time link with the West End is too important, especially as the Bakerloo Line does not have a Night Tube service (nor is it likely to as it has high track maintenance requirements due to the number of curves).
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Post by cardinal on Jan 23, 2024 11:38:28 GMT
If this New N518 go ahead I would do is Withdrawn N18 from Trafalgar Square and Great Portland Street and reroute it to Euston or King's Cross so it would follow the rest of the day 18 I always find it odd that N18 go to Trafalgar Square not Euston Because that’s where the demand is
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